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- Path: sparky!uunet!uunet.ca!geac!jtsv16!kim
- From: kim@phaedrus.jts.com (T. Kim Nguyen )
- Subject: Re: women as objects (long)
- In-Reply-To: gah00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com's message of 19 Jan 93 00:58:26 GMT
- Message-ID: <KIM.93Jan21183649@phaedrus.jts.com>
- Sender: kim@jts.com (T. Kim Nguyen )
- Reply-To: kim@watnow.uwaterloo.ca
- Organization: JTS Computer Systems Ltd.
- References: <c8.L021932Mh01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:36:49 GMT
- Lines: 43
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- In article <c8.L021932Mh01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> gah00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Gary Hladik) writes:
-
- If the preceding has been somewhat flippant, it's because I can't really take
- Ms. Nguyen's "victimization of women by the fashion industry" thesis seriously.
- In dealing with this subject, she's dealing with the same human stupidity
- that covers addictions (alcohol, narcotics, tobacco, gambling), running red
- lights, the National Rifle Association, organized religion, the Democratic
- Party (anyone I haven't offended yet?), Pet Rocks, and Hula-Hoops (how about
- now?). Ms. Nguyen is welcome to oppose 4 billion years of evolution, but
- my bread's riding on the "semi-evolved simians."*
-
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- Gary Hladik, Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, Ca. USA
- gah00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com
-
- What I was trying to say is that there are a lot of reasons, none of
- them simple, why men and women are being bombarded with imagery and
- ideas which fulfill the goals of industries such as cosmetics, movies,
- television, and pornography and which harm the consumers even as they
- buy the products and buy into the cults. Yes I am dealing with the
- "same human stupidity that covers addictions" as you so eloquently
- state above, and I see nothing wrong with attempting to address
- problems which are directly hurting millions of people throughout the
- world.
-
- It's clear that you aren't capable of seeing the forest for the trees.
- I am not attempting to be confrontational; I ask you simply to try to
- see these problems from the point of view of a human being and not of
- a consumer. Ask yourself why it is that you believe that "saggy
- breasts and leathery skin" are such disgusting things in a mature
- woman. Ask yourself if these trends you mention aren't the product of
- companies wanting you to BUY something. Then apply the same reasoning
- to cosmetics, fashion, and Playboy.
-
- Rationality will do us a greater service than the posting of flippant
- and insensitive answers such as yours.
-
- (Mr.) Kim
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- Systems Design Engineer k.nguyen@ieee.org
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