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- From: bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre)
- Newsgroups: alt.recovery
- Subject: Re: Agnostics in recovery (was Re: advice wanted ...).
- Message-ID: <77731@apple.apple.COM>
- Date: 28 Jan 93 05:53:37 GMT
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- |hunt@shy.umd.edu (Brian Hunt) writes:
- |>He has gone to some AA meetings, but I think he feels uncomfortable
- |>with the importance of a "higher power" in the group's thinking (I
- |>suspect I would be too, for that matter).
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- I too have been walking this walk, and have had a lot of trouble with
- the language.
-
- I am closer to being a Zen Buddhist than anything else, and I find the
- idea of begging God for help to be counter-intuitive. I know some
- old-timers will tell you, "never mind counter-intuitive, just do it
- anyway, and see if it works or not."
-
- I do agree with them.
-
- I also found that many phrases in the lingo translate well into Zen.
- For instance, "turn it over to my higher power" really means, "Accept
- what will be, concentrate on what is" -- a venerated Zen idea.
-
- One excellent set of books is published by the Mountain View Zen
- Center (here in Mountain View, California). It includes four great
- books:
- THE KEY (and the name of the key is willingness)
- That which you are seeking is causing you to seek
- The Depression Book (Depression as an opportunity for
- spiritual practice)
- THE HOW (you do anything is how you do everything) BOOK
- (The books do not have authors listed)
-
- These books do not mention 12-steps or recovery per se, but one can
- hardly read through them without seeing how they apply.
-
- Nor do these books ever explicitly mention Zen or any kind of
- religion. They concentrate on spirituality as separate from religion,
- and help you to realize what you have control over, and what you do
- not. In AA lingo, (and in a recent shampoo commercial, of all places!)
- "knowing what to sweat and what to let go."
-
- I also found a brand new book called, promisingly enough, "The Zen of
- Recovery". The author, Mel Ash, is both a 10-year-sober alcoholic and
- an accredited Zen teacher. Although I haven't read very far into the
- book, I do know two things: it is very explicitly about 12-step
- programs and about Zen, and it is a veyr beautiful and interesting
- book.
-
- I hope to write in a few weeks, "this book changed my life".
-
- We'll see.
-
- bill coderre,
- recovering co-dependent
- 3 months and counting....
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