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- From: shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca (Jeffrey Shallit)
- Subject: Re: ecology & Christianity
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- Organization: University of Waterloo
- References: <21JAN199310400459@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> <C19Fqw.D0s@math.uwaterloo.ca> <25JAN199310412481@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:04:16 GMT
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- In article <25JAN199310412481@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham) writes:
- >In article <C19Fqw.D0s@math.uwaterloo.ca>, shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca
- > (Jeffrey Shallit) writes...
- >
- >>"[W]e shall continue to have a worsening ecologic crisis until
- >>we reject the Christian axiom that nature has no reason for
- >>existence save to serve man." - Lynn White, Jr.
- >
- >>That is, the problems are due to a Christian *axiom*, not to all
- >>of Christianity.
- >
- >So. Who made it an axiom? Not me. Not my church. Nobody else I know.
-
- I wasn't aware that the entire universe of Christian thought lay
- at your fingertips, Mr. Graham. Could there possibly be Christian
- axioms that you don't know explicitly?
-
- What gives *you* the ability to decide what is and what isn't a
- Christian axiom? Are you a theologian, or an historian?
-
- Read the article.
-
- >White, maybe? How is this axiom played out?
-
- Read the article.
-
- >
- >>I have already made one request that you read the original article.
- >>Have you done so yet? (I doubt it.)
- >
- >Nothing gets me upset sooner than an assumption like this.
-
- Nothing gets me upset sooner than dogmatists who aren't willing to
- question their own viewpoints or learn something new.
-
- My assumption that you have yet to read the article was based on
- the fact that you have not quoted *anything* from the article
- that you disagree with, other than the single line I quoted.
- And you yourself admit it, see below.
-
- >Make all the
- >requests you want. Just get it through your head that when someone
- >disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they can't, won't or don't read
- >what you write. It primarily means they disagree with you.
-
- In this case, your disagreement is based on ignorance, not on a
- difference of opinion, since you haven't read the article.
-
- >>As I have already said once, White himself is an historian and a
- >>Christian, and the article supports his thesis quite well.
- >
- >I don't care if White is the Archbishop of Canterbury. I reserve the
- >right to disagree with him. If your summation of his article is any
- >indication, I will not be a whole lot less likely to disagree with him
- >after I finish reading it.
-
- Are you really unable to tell the difference between a "summation"
- [which I did *not* give] and a single extracted quote?
-
- >I have only two choices: to disagree with
- >his thesis, or with your summation of it.
-
- False dichotomy: see above. In any event, you have no idea what his
- thesis is, since you haven't read the article.
-
- >RG
-
- Jeff Shallit
-