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- Path: sparky!uunet!world!smoir
- From: smoir@world.std.com (Scott A Moir)
- Subject: Re: Adult women seducing male children
- Message-ID: <C1B5Jp.CoL@world.std.com>
- Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
- References: <1993Jan18.212936.8183@panix.com> <swemXB4w165w@shakala.com> <gfLD4Ty00Uh_I_JGYn@andrew.cmu.edu>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:02:12 GMT
- Lines: 71
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- In article <gfLD4Ty00Uh_I_JGYn@andrew.cmu.edu> ad1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gerard Deckert) writes:
- >
- >kestrel@shakala.com (Kelley James) writes:
- >>[lotsa reactionary stuff about NAMBLA deleted]
- >>I feel like the laws protecting minors are fairly arbitrary, adn while
- >>they are of value I have known some minors capable of making informed
- >>sexual consent and, dealing with the consequences of it in a fashion much
- >>more mature than the adults around them.
-
- You are then saying that 'even if you are smart enough to make the right
- choices, you can't because we say so.'. I have no desire to have sex with
- anyone anywhere NEAR that young, but I have to make a couple of
- statements, because I was in that position. I was involved with a 34
- year old man when I was 12. I knew what I was doing, I knew what he
- wanted, and I knew what -I- wanted. For me, it is all a matter of
- consent. Not -coerced- consent, but open consent.
-
- >>But I do NOT believe that anyone under the age of about 12 could
- >>possibly give informed and knowlegeble consent.
- >
- > Isn't 12 just as arbitrary as any other age? Your argument doesn't
- >get any better by substituting one arbitrary value with another...
-
- Twelve is still an arbitrary age, but it does coincide with another
- occurance.. puberty. There are societies that consider 12 to be the age of
- maturity (or is it 13, when does one have their Bar-Midzfa? (I know it is
- spelled wrong)). This might be the only legitimate restriction that I
- could see, because it then coincides with sexual-maturity. Any other age
- that is generically chosen is nothing more than a simple way for a
- government to handle the issue of sex without actually having to spend any
- effort on education. It is politically safe.
-
- >>Sex with children is wrong, it's a crime, in case you haven't figured it
- >>out. I will never support a group that promotes sexual relationsion with
- >>children.
- >
- > What do you mean by children? What about sex between children? At
- >what age is it wrong? What aspect of age makes it right?
-
- Also, which country do you happen to be standing in when you make that
- statement?
-
- > To sum things up, I am on principle opposed to any sort of age-based
- >restriction (and to arbitrary restrictions in general, but that's a
- >story for another time). The important restrictions involve
- >consensuality - an absolute must in _any_ situation, romantic or
- >otherwise. Instead of having laws protecting children from themselves,
- >or protecting children from adults, or even protecting adults from
- >children, emphasis must be placed on teaching children (and certain
- >adults!) about sex and its implications. They should be taught to
- >respect and admire their own bodies, so they learn to act responsibly,
- >and learn what consent is all about, and how to know when it is
- >appropriate - so they are capable of judging for themselves how they
- >wish to act, and with whom. The point is, despite what parents hope
- >for, children will have to (and want to ) make decisions about sex - the
- >best thing a parent can do is help the child to be ready to make an
- >intelligent decision. Children should not be hidden from the world -
- >they should be prepared for it.
- > Does this make sense to anyone else? I'd like to hear some feedback
- >on this...
-
- I could have written the above paragraph. I agree completely.
-
-
- Scott
-
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