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- From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
- Subject: Re: More Gun Control
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.195252.11505@igor.tamri.com>
- Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
- References: <1jhbv0INNaa6@umbc4.umbc.edu> <1993Jan19.230523.28900@igor.tamri.com> <1993Jan21.132452.1981@dg-rtp.dg.com>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:52:52 GMT
- Lines: 85
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- Could we PUH-LEASE take this to e-mail?
-
- In article <1993Jan21.132452.1981@dg-rtp.dg.com> cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com
- (A. Jing Hippy) writes:
- >|> In 1990, there were 46,300 motor vehicle accidents,
- >|> 12,400 deaths in accidental falls,
- >|> 6,500 accidental deaths by poisoning,
- >|> 5,700 accidental drownings,
- >|> 4,300 accidental deaths in fires,
- >|> 3,200 accidental deaths by choking/suffocation
- >|>
- >|> and only 1,400 firearms-related accidental deaths. Another thing you
- >|> should know about that number is that it's HALF the number of accidents
- >|> from 1970, this despite a massive increase in the number of firearms out
- >|> there.
- >
- >Once again, I can't *believe* that I'm watching where I'm going and yet am
- >about to step into this anyway. I'll just leave my shoes on the front porch
- >when I get home.
-
- Well, I've been doing my share of stepping into messes of late, so I
- sympathize. Sorry everyone!
-
- >Note the difference in the types of accidents reported above. It's difficult
- >to get around these days with some sort of motor vehicle transportation,
- >especially in the more rural areas such as the one where I live. People will
- >accidentally fall. People will ingest things that seem perfectly safe and
- >yet are poison due to mislabelling or improper preparation/packaging. Even
- >if people stop swimming or boating, there will be the occasional slip in the
- >tub or falling into water that will lead to drowning. Fires happen for all
- >sorts of reasons that may or may not be preventable. Choking or whatever?
- >Well, that's anatomy for you. It happens sometimes no matter what.
- >
- >But we don't *need* the guns. If they weren't around, then that's 1400
- >people that would still be here today. Since 1970, it must be in the
- >thousands. I'm sure that you could cite the astoundingly low number of
- >accidental deaths that occur from bungee jumping or leaping out of a perfectly
- >good plane with a parachute on your back, but that doesn't make the
- >activity any more defensible or intelligent.
-
- First off, what this goes to show is that the chance that you will be killed
- as a result of a gun accident is MUCH lower than the chance that you'll be
- killed in either an auto accident, in your home, in a pool or while eating
- in your favorite restaurant.
-
- Secondly, the trend in gun accidents is obviously down, FIFTY PERCENT over
- the last 20 years. This is primarily due to education, a large part of which
- was accomplished by the NRA.
-
- Thirdly, I imagine (pure speculation) that those people who were killed
- were NOT people who have been trained to handle guns safely. So, if you
- want to reduce your chances (and the chances of your family) of being hurt
- or worse in a gun accident to near zero, you'll go with your family to a
- gun safety class, instead of treating guns as yucky things that only
- rednecks have. A good 50% of the people I know with guns are at least as
- liberal as me.
-
- Finally, it's not your business to say whether people "need" guns. Some
- people do need guns. Close to 50% of the households in this country have
- guns in them, so people living there clearly feel they need guns. And a
- lot of people LIKE guns, get pleasure from using them safely. Those
- people will have guns, period, and the only way to get those guns away
- from them would tear the country apart as surely as if the Supreme Court
- had criminalized abortion. The time for extremism and prohibition in
- this country is OVER.
-
- >"There have been zero deaths since 1970 that occurred from backing naked
- > into glowing pot-bellied stoves with a piece of dynamite stuck up your
- > butt. Therefore, this is a perfectly safe activity in which we can all
- > participate as long as we are properly trained."
- >
- >Peeve: "Logic" that says that as long as it hasn't killed *too* many people,
- > then it's ok.
-
- I've got news for you Dave: life is 100% fatal. Everyone alive today is
- going to be worm food withing a century, as will their kids and THEIR kids.
- So I refuse to spend my life in a futile attempt to make life safe. Instead,
- I'll spend it doing things that I enjoy and not interfering with things that
- other people enjoy, aside from things like test-driving race cars past
- shools during lunch break and dueling with tactical nukes.
-
- don
-
- p.s. Did someone REALLY try to back into a stove with dynamite up their
- butt at Banta's party?
-