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- From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
- Subject: Re: contradiction?
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- References: <C1JCqn.7A6@news.iastate.edu> <1k8k6kINNs29@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
- Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:53:43 UTC
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- In article <1k8k6kINNs29@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
- SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen) writes:
- >In article <C1JCqn.7A6@news.iastate.edu>,
- txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:
- >>someone wrote:
- >>>There is an irreconcilable logical contradiction between plain sense of
- >>>the saying of Jesus recorded in Matthew 12:30 = Luke 11:23 (He that is not
- >>>with me is against me) and Mark 9:40 (For he that is not against us is on
- >>>our part). Any questions?
- >>Yes. How is this a contradiction?
- >Yes. Posit the existence of a Pagan who is neither "for" nor "against"
- >Christianity, and posit further a Christian who wishes to determine
- >whether to treat that Pagan as "for" or as "against" (the perils of
- >dichotomous thinking, there!), and proposes to make his decision on the
- >basis of Biblical principles. By one variant of the saying, the Pagan
- >is to be counted as "for," by the other as "against." It's pretty clear
- >that the variant prepositions for "for" in the original Greek [meta vs.
- >hyper] don't carry a significant difference in meaning here.
-
- Exactly. There is a contradiction here and either one sees it or one
- does not. Consider it a test of dogmaticism. Given a binary (true/false)
- world, which is a gross oversimplification, there are four classes of
- people for these two variables: Class A is neither against nor for
- Christianity, these are the neutrals. Class B is not against but for
- Christianity, these are the proponents. Class C is against and for
- Christianity, these are the traitors. Class D is against and not for
- Christianity, these are the opponents. By the rule of Matthew 12:30 and
- Luke 11:23, Class A, the neutrals, are against Christianity. By the rule
- of Mark 9:40, Class A, the neutrals, are for Christianity.
- Contradiction, plain and simple. Just remember, please learn from dogma
- but do not become dogmatic. My doG is always barking, but doesn't she
- remind you of Toto? Even in English, Roma backwards is amor.
-