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- From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
- Subject: Re: Critical Thought
- Message-ID: <C1JLv1.JyM@athena.cs.uga.edu>
- Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
- References: <stacey-260193094843@scorpio.ucs.uoknor.edu> <C1HEJy.3AK@athena.cs.uga.edu> <stacey-270193115031@scorpio.ucs.uoknor.edu>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:35:23 GMT
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- In article <stacey-270193115031@scorpio.ucs.uoknor.edu> stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) writes:
- >In article <C1HEJy.3AK@athena.cs.uga.edu>, you wrote:
- >>
- >> > (I wrote)
- >> > I also very much liked your statement about Catholicism
- >> > keeping us from God. OH, YES. Campbell says that all Western religious
- >> > traditions, including Judaism, are religions of exile - separating man
- >> > from God.
- >>
- >> Campbell says this because he does not believe in a personal creatore
- >>present to the world yet distinct from it. So, of course Western religions
- >>keep people from God.
- >
- > Campbell states
- > that unlike many Eastern religions, where you are invited to step
- > across the Threshold, Western religions emphasize expulsion (as from
- > Paradise), the unaccessability of God, and separateness (you as a
- > believer are not encouraged to oneness
-
- You are right in the part about explusion from paradise or alienation from
- God, but in all of the three major western religions, Jusdaism, Christianity,
- and Islam encourage oneness with God, it is just a unity that does not blurr
- or extinguish personal identity. I think somewhere in the gospel of John
- there is a rather romantic plead for unity between God, Jesus, and believers.
-
- > unless, of course, it's by
- > their rules, and the spiritual/mystical NEVER plays by any rules).
-
- Are you saying that reality admists to 'no' rules? I mean, that there are no
- truths that if one followed then one would be better off than if one didn't?
- This is the interesting demarcation that divides much of eastern and western
- religions and philosphies. A. N. Whitehead would say that all that is is
- conceivable (not imagine) and describable. A Zenist would simply ask you were
- you were before your mother was born and smile while beating you over the head
- with a feather. It's interesting, though, that the contemporary western world
- has promulgated the idea that reality is logical and conceivable in the world
- of matter and sensation but that when one talks about metaphysical concepts
- forget trying to be consistent in seeking truth.
- >
-
- >> What he really
- >> believes is a type of Hinduism, that all things are really the same
- >> manifestation of the one reality which is beyond all logic, personality, and
- >> rationality.
- >
- > Uh, does this mean that the belief you say JC has is beyond all logic,
- >etc.,
-
- If that was then case, then nothing he said would be meaningful.
-
- > or that the one reality is beyond all logic, etc.?
-
- Yes.
-
- > Many great mystics of
- > Judaism and Catholicism have taken a point of view much closer to the
- > Eastern rather than Western tradition.
-
- I suppose that is why they were called heretics. Mysticism was tolerated as
- long as one didn't unite God and humanity completely without distinctions.
- Thomas A Kempis is a good example of medieval mystic who keep a personal
- relation with God throughout his experiences.
-
- Ted
-