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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:21:08 CET
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- Subject: Dreams, Theories and OOBE's
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- CONTENTS (two parts): Instruction
- 1) Connection Between "Etherprojections" And Dreams
- 2) Dreaming On The "Astralplane"
-
- INSTRUCTION:
-
- The human consists of:
- 1) Physical Body
- 2) Etherbody (which moves the physical and has his shape)
- 3) Astralbody (has the shape you think of but also a basic shape)
- 4) Mentalbodies (contain the consciousness)
-
- ETHERPROJECTIONS: The ether- astral- and Mentalbodies leave the physical
- Body. This happens every night to load the etherbody with new non-
-
- physical energy (like a battery). This also happens some time during a
- dream. The first part tells you how such dreams are|
-
- ASTRALPROJECTIONS: The astral- and Mentalbodies are free. This also
- happens every night but with reduced consciousness - This is called
- dreaming. Your astralbody travels through a world build up with astral-
- matter consisting of:
-
- "DREAMWORLD" (don't know a better word): Everything is created by your
- subconsciousness. Everything changes here, nothing is stable, like the
- subconsciousness. - If you get the full consciousness (you know you are
- "in" a dream) this experience is called "Lucid Dreaming".
-
- "ASTRALWORLD" Many mystics talked about these worlds. All the decased
- "live" anywhere in these worlds according to their development. These
- worlds are more stable; changes take time here and need the permission of the
- "designer" of a special world. Dreams in these worlds are the theme of
- part two (only theories which may be helpfull).
-
- ****** PART ONE - DREAMS AND ETHER PROJECTIONS *************************
-
- I) Dreamtyps:
- Already Muldoon wrots (1929,(1)) about dreams of:
- 1. Flying 4. Being beated an the head
- 2. Floating 5. Seving to a fantasy thing
- 3. Falling 6. Moving by lift
- wich are caused by the movings of the etherbody.
- (He also spoked about "flutter"-dreams but I don't know what he
- really means).
- Robert Monroe mentioned (2) that there were examinations which seem
- to prove that
- 7. "Going by car"
- belong to this category. (QUESTION: Knows anyone of you more about this
- note).
- 8. Dreams with uncontolled movings of the dreambody/vehicle
- (The will has generally no influence on this)
- 9. BUT also other dreams may occure while an etherprojection
- For example: As I was a child I often dreamed of trying to switch on
- the light. But I had no success and then I always got frightend -
- "the devil had done this and will catch me. Then I awaked sweeting
- and full of fears.
- But in September 1992 I dreamed this again (the last time) and be-
- came so angry that my consciousness awaked. It was dark for a short
- time. Then I looked outside through the window from a position to
- that I had lying in bed. My "body" (etherbody) was vibrating and
- prickling. Then I heard earsplitting noise and voises. But it was
- quiet as I had returned to the physical body. I feld the vibrations
- and the prickling much more intensiv then. Then they faded away.
-
- SYMBOLS (short list):
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
- dreamsymbol | reality
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
- * clothline, cabel, rape, tube, ... | "astral-cord"
- * fantasy-thing, monster; something | physical body
- that comes nearer and nearer |
- or sew to. |
- * dreambody (astralbody), car, | etherbody
- airplane, ballon; the vehicle |
- you use in your dream. |
- * "dreamself" (?) astralbody
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Movings of the dreambody | Movings of the etherbody
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
- * falling | return to the pysical body
- * flying, floating | etherbody floats above the physical
- | body (in most cases)
- * moving upward | the etherbody floats upward
- * uncontolled movings | the shaking of the etherbody
- ........ | ..........
- (I think you will find other symbols too).
- ________________________________________________________________________
-
- How can you prove an etherprojection while dreaming ?
- (sometimes sleep too)
-
- I) (Remember the dream I told you|) You have the same dream or dream-
- pattern very often. One time your consciousness awakes and you'll
- find yourself out of the physical body (in the etherbody), in most
- cases near it. Muldoon wrote down other examples (1).
- II) (My methode) You awake after a dream. Then try to move your hand
- or better try to write down your dreamexperiences on a paper you
- prepaired. If it is difficult to do this (and hearts a little)
- the previous dream has happened while an etherprojection. (This is
- just my personal experience I want to share with you).
- Unfortunately you can't use this methode for hypnagogical dreams
- (dreams seping the sleep).
- III) (Suggestion for research) This is just an idea a friend of mine
- had. Put a bed on a scale and somebody sleep in this bed. Then
- watch the quick decreases/increases of the weight during the night.
- (The etherbody's weight is about 70 gram - determined by Dr Duncan
- Mc Dougall (3)).
-
- CONSEQUENCES:
-
- 1) Maybe this paragraphs help you to understand some of the events
- happening during sleep. (4)
- 2) There's a communication between the etherbody an the astralbody
- (dreambody) (See list of symbols|). But we don't know why and how
- this happens.
- 3) BUT the events in the dream can also have influence on the movings
- of the etherbody. This is used to get an etherprojection in the
- methode of "dream-guiding (Muldoon descriped in detail,(5)).
-
- REMARKS:
- (1) S.Muldoon/H.Carrington, "The Projection Of The Astralbody" (better
- etherbody), especially capter 4 and 6.
- (2) R.Monroe, "Far Journeys", Appendix 1.
- (3) S.Muldoon/H.Carrington, "The Projection Of The Astralbody", capter
- 14, "calculated weight of the astralbody".
- (4) ----"----, capter 11,"typical dreams during an astralprojection".
- (5) ----"----, capter 6.
-
-
- ****** PART TWO - DREAMING ON THE "ASTRALPLANE" ***********************
-
- Mystics and many other peoble reported unbelifeable dreams. - Masters
- of the opposite world showed and explained them the mysteries of the
- hole creation.
- No, I won't talk about these adventures and prove their truth or not-
- truth. My question is:
- Is it possible to have dreams happening on the astralplane?
- My answer is yes but they are rare.
- Remark: I think it's generally also possible that dreams happen in the
- pysical universe as astralprojections can happen here.
-
- HOW CAN YOU PROVE THIS?
-
- 1) A spirit told a german technican:"Try to change someting you see -
- a tree or another object - with your awakened will| Can you do this -
- so you are dreaming (a lucid dream). - but can't you do this with all
- eforts of will so you are on a real non-physical plane. ... Astral-
- planes are real creations of a non-physical creater and you can change
- them only with permission of the "designer" of this area. ...."(1)
- But how can you do this while dreaming (with decreased consciousness)?
- The magic word is "DREAM-CONTROLL" (2) - You suggest yourself that
- you will try to change an object in your dream befor spleeping.
- 2) The next methode is descriped in Charlos Castaneda's book "Journey to
- Ixtlan":
- Fix an object in your dream (with your eyes) - in the dreamworld it
- often changes then. If not your consciousness maybe will be awakened;
- in that case use number 1).
- 3) You meet a deceased person and he/she tells you personal things
- unknown by you. After awaking you prove the truth of these claims.
- 4) There's the curious fact (3) that the basic shape of the astralbody
- is totally different to that of the physical body. BUT everyone who
- is in the astralbody, too, can identify you (in your astralbody) alt-
- though you (your astralbody) looks different.
- I can't find any reason why the subconsciousness should show us other
- people (in our dreams) as they look in their astralbodies. - So I
- think this is an interesting element of your dreams you should search
- for.
- Here's one of my dreams as an example:
- I met a girl. - If I think of what she (her body) looked like I'm not
- able to say who she was. - But in the dream I knew she was Dane King
- (name changed).
- This are just a few ideas I wanted to tell you.
-
- Josef P}hringer
- physics student, Austria
-
- P.S: Critique wellcome|
-