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- From: speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights)
- Subject: Re: Comments on the 2nd RFD: soc.culture.native
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- References: <1993Jan23.181707.16257@gnosys.svle.ma.us> <idoy.727895586@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> <1993Jan26.191152.10221@gnosys.svle.ma.us>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:29:31 GMT
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- gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
-
- >.... I wanted to consult with Preston Hardison, who supplied the text
- >which contained the definition used internationally which a few of us
- >thought might be adapted for our present purposes.
-
- >+ The UN working definitions come out of a statist institution, and reflect
- >+ the perspectives of national governments. Mike is worried about the
- >+ passage 'and under a State structure . . .". From a state perspective,
- >+ this is really the case. Even "uncolonized" or uncontacted peoples are
- >+ effectively under state control, with rights that exist only as the states
- >+ grant them....
-
- >+ This still leaves the problem of a positive definition of indigenous
- >+ peoples. Mike is worried about defining people solely by their relation-
- >+ ship to a history of colonialism....
-
- >Is there a fundamental objection to even mentioning the fact of colonization,
- >in light of what Preston has offered?
-
- I think that it would be good to balance the terms that are "statist"
- with terms that form a more positive definition if indigenous peoples.
- If colonization is appropriate for the charter then I think that it's
- equally important to include the sort of identity that Mike pointed out.
-
- Here's an idea:
-
- CHARTER: Soc.culture.native is for the discussion of issues relating to
- native populations throughout the world. For the purposes of defining this
- newsgroup, "native" is considered roughly synonymous with "aboriginal" or
- "indigenous." All of these terms designate the existing descendents of the
- peoples who inhabited the present territory of a country at the time when
- persons of a different culture or ethnic origin colonized that territory,
-
- and who today identify themselves more in conformity with the
- particular social, economic and cultural customs and traditions
- that connect them with their aboriginal relationship to the land than
- with the institutions of the country of which that territory now
- forms a part. ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
-
- It's just getting longer and longer :-)
- Is a terminologically specific charter going to help the chances
- of soc.culture.native becoming a reality? Does it look good for
- us to haggle about like this? If not, then the original charter
- is OK by me.
-
- Arlen
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