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- From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
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- Subject: Bar Kochba And Moshiach
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 19:39:01 GMT
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- GF> Date: 22 Jan 93 15:47:11 GMT
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- > Well..., Bar-Star took the Rebbe Akiva seriously enough, that he
- > required his "brethern" to chop off a finger to show alliance!
- -=> Quoting Gedaliah Friedenberg to Bill Carlson <=-
- GF> Thank you for proving my point. These people were not observant
- GF> Jews. Chopping off a finger is a serious averah....
-
- And actually, that proves my point. If the "great" Rebbe Akiva was
- so deceived in proclaiming bar-star as the Messiah; how do you know
- that the rest of the Rabbis, (most who are not as 'great' as R. Akiva)
- are not as deceived in thinking that Y'shua is not the Messiah?!
-
- But you want the name of one that was Observant of the Mitzvot and the
- halachah? Ok..., Shabbaton Tzvi was Orthodox, Observant, and a
- kabbalistic Jew when large portions of Observant Jews, (including a
- GREAT deal of Rabbis of note), on three continents, including almost
- EVERYBODY in and around Amsterdam, proclaimed his as Messiah! Again:
- if these Rabbis and great numbers of "ORTHODOX/OBSERVANT" folks could
- be so deceived in thinking that S. Tzvi was the Messiah -- and were
- wrong; why do you think it is so strange that MJ's suggest that the
- Rabbis are likewise deceived - when they (the Rabbis) think that
- Y'shua is not the Messiah?
-
- Think about it, there are plenty of false-messiahs over the centuries,
- that have fooled, at different times, a great number of the Rabbis,
- including some major "sages"! But here we are 2,000 years later, and
- Jews are still discussing why some do and some don't believe that
- Y'shua is the Messiah. But over the last two millenium there are no
- significant numbers of the Y'hudim who take any other one personage in
- history seriously as being the Messiah for long - not Tzvi, not Frank,
- not Bar-Kochabba; not even the Rebbe from Brooklyn-(yet another in a
- long line of false-messiahs!) But yet, here you are, discussing with
- Jews if Y'shua is the Messiah. - And the numbers of Jews you can
- discuss this with is rapidly growing!
-
- Meanwhile, "modern" Judaism (for the most part) looks for a time of
- "peace" before they will acknowledge the Messiah - while Tanakh and the
- sages say: ...Messiah first comes and dies, in a time of distress, and
- even on the foal of an ass!
-
- ... 012 M'shacheeym Y'hudim: Those who want HaMashiach now - AGAIN! 210
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