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- From: harwood@umiacs.umd.edu (David Harwood)
- Newsgroups: alt.messianic
- Subject: Re: Disproof of "Proof 2" (was *** MoJ: Proof 2: The Passover Prophecy ***)
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 16:19:16 GMT
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- In article <1jvcalINNouf@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
- [...]
- >
- >Finally, there is a passage in Isaiah 53 which shows us that Jesus was
- >*certainly* not the messiah. In Isaiah 53:10, it says that "he shall
- >see his seed, he shall be prolonged in his days." This means that the
- >subject of Isaiah 53 will have children (seed) and will live a long life.
- >Any learned Christian will tell you that neither of these is true of the
- >life of Jesus.
- >
- \\\\\
-
- Uh - my 'unlearned' friend - what don't you know ? ;-)
-
- The great Rabbi Akiva is called "father" of very many of his spiritual
- offspring, whom he taught to be teachers, even though Akiva had no
- biological children of his own. Who are his offspring, then?
-
- And who are the children of God, if not those who have the spirit of
- God? Only those of Jewish ancestry?
-
- Jesus said that his followers were his true family, more than his flesh
- and blood; that no one should boast because of their fathers' on
- account of their faith, because God could make children of Abraham out
- of stones. So did Paul say that we were children of Abraham, primarily
- because we share in God's faith in God (which makes for righteousness).
-
- Then, considering all this - of Jewish and Christian tradition as well
- - Who are the offspring of Jesus?! And as you wonder - how many are there
- in the world ?!
-
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- Where is God's providence in this? (We know very well that some ancient
- Jewish interpreters referred Isaiah 52-53 to the Messiah. By the way,
- as I have remarked before, by change of one letter in the Hebrew text,
- the minor Qumran Isaiah text says the servant was 'anoited'. (This is
- not the famous text displayed prominently in Israel.) What is interesting
- about this, is that subsequent Jewish tradition, long after the MT edition,
- refers to Isaiah 52-53 as Messianic, apparently with a crucial
- re-interpretation of the same one verb. A puzzle, unless they consider
- alternative spellings, like that found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.)
-