NetNews Usenet Archive 1993 #3/NN_1993_3.iso/spool/alt/messiani/4128

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From: [e-mail] (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Complete verification of Jesus
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Vijay Bhuchar) writes:
]In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
]]when moshiach does come, he will get things done right the first
]]time around.  After that, he can come back as many times as he wants
]]and join in the post-moshiach utopia.
]]
]
]
]It really depends on your interpretation of getting it right
]first time.  The Jews of Jesus' day believed that Messiah would
]lead them to victory over the Romans so he failed.
]
]The Jews of today believe that Messiah has to rebuild the Temple
]and so on so again Jesus failed.  But if you believe SCRIPTURE
](and I do) then Messiah has to do the following:
]
]Offer himself as a sacrifice for sin (Isaiah 53)
]Be crucified (Psalm 22)
]Be cut off 69 x 7 years after the decree of Nehemiah (Dan 9, Neh1 & 2)
]
]then he succeeded.
]

1] Jews don't believe in human sacrifice. That's the lesson of the binding
  of Yitzhak.

2] The supposed crucification prophesy is a mistranslation, as has been
  discussed on the net several times.

3] That's been dealt with by others; it's a dreadful misinterpretation, chock
  full of holes. (Why 7 + 62 years? Come on...)

4] According to the Jews, the Messiah doesn't come twice. He doesn't come
  halfway, do part of the job, and then die claiming that he'll come back
  and finish the job. The messiah is the man who will fill ALL of the
  requirements of the messiah during his lifetime. Period. If the messianic
  age is not here, then the messiah has not come. Take a look at Bosnia right
  now, where thousands of people are being maimed, raped, and killed in the
  name of Christianity, and then try to tell me that Jesus brought the
  messianic age.

]If all the Jews had believed in Jesus then they would have  a pretty hard
]time convincing the rest of the world that their prophecies were genuine,
]but the fact that the Jews dont believe is great.

If the messiah had come, then there would never have been any question.



]Example: A friend said to me "How do you know that the Old Testament
]prophecies were written down at least 400 years before the event?"
]
]My reply "Ask a Jew" (i.e. if they werenot then Judaism would be a
]ponitless religion started by Christians)

I'm sorry, but this completely fails to make any sense.

    <MC>

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