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- From: ljmorly@polaris.utu.fi (Laura Johanna Manninen)
- Subject: Re: Bar Kochba And Moshiach
- In-Reply-To: friedenb@fir.egr.msu.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 15:47:11 GMT
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- Organization: University of Turku
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- Date: 23 Jan 93 12:58:23
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- In article <1jp4tvINNhq1@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@fir.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
- > In article <142035.2B5F54C8@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>, Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson) writes:
- > |> GF> It is true that Rabbi Akiva felt that Bar Kochba was the Moshiach.
- > |> GF> But you have to understand more than this sentence before jumping
- > |> GF> to a conclusion.
- > |>
- > |> Well..., Bar-Star took the Rebbe Akiva seriously enough, that he
- > |> required his "brethern" to chop off a finger to show alliance!
-
- > Thank you for proving my point. These people were not observant Jews.
- > Chopping off a finger is a serious averah. In order to discourage such a
- > thing (including via ma'aris ayin) anyone who serves in the Bais HaMikdosh
- > must be physically complete (except foreskin). If one chops off his finger,
- > he is no longer able to serve in the Temple, and he has mutilated the body
- > lent to him by HaShem.
-
- > Therefore these people were not *really* observant Jews, and if they were so
- > far away from Judaism that they cut off a finger, then certainly they
- > could have followed anyone (including fFrank, Tzvi, Mickey Mouse, etc.)
-
- By that time there was no temple, and Rav Akiva was one of the great
- Rabbis, so I wouldn't be as quick as you here.
-
- > Give us a mainstream learned Jew who follows the mitzvos and halacha as
- > examples to prove your points, instead of a heretics.
-
- Has it ever occurred to you that Judaism might not be the same anymore
- as it was 2000 years ago ? Like, if we drop out all Gentile influence
- from Christianity, and only think about whether Yeshua is the real Messiah
- or not, how can it be that he doesn't fit so well to the picture of Messiah
- you have learned in Yeshiva ? Yeshua wasn't any scholar, as they teach the
- Messiah will be; he did miracles, unlike what is expected of the Messiah,
- he died, opposite (?) of what the Messiah should do...
-
- > Gedaliah Friedenberg
- > -=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
- > -=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
- > -=-Michigan State University
-
- Regards,
- Laura
-
- --
- "Who has gone up to heaven and come down ?
- Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands ?
- Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak ?
- Who has established all the ends of the earth ?
- What is his name, and the name of his son ?
- Tell me if you know !" - Mishlei 30:4
-