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- From: mswihart@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart)
- Subject: confusion in the disproof
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:40:05 GMT
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- In "Disproof of Proof 1" the following assertions were made :
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- >>Under this method it was suggested that there were 2 separate
- >>mashiachs - the first after 7 weeks and the next after another
- >>62 weeks.
-
- >Please read below. You argue here that the messiah will come after 7
- >weeks or possibly again after 62 weeks. Below you argue that Jesus
- >came after 69 weeks. This is inconsistent.
-
- and then it was later said :
-
- >By your statement here you show 69 weeks until the coming of Jesus.
- >But, above you say that he will come in 7 weeks and again in 62 weeks.
- >This is an obvious contradiction. He either came in 7 weeks or 69.
- >Pick one and stick to it.
-
- I have re-read the original posting several times and believe that the
- original proof does not,IMHO, in any way, shape, or form, claim that
- the messiah was to come after 7 weeks or after 7 weeks and
- after 62 weeks. Footnote 1b discusses other interpretations
- that the author does not agree with and reads as follows:
-
- > (*1b) seven AND sixty two weeks - Many Bibles both Jewish and
- > Christian punctuate the first seven away from the next sixty two.
- > Under this method it was suggested that there were 2 separate
- > mashiachs - the first after 7 weeks and the next after another
- > 62 weeks.
- >
- > Cyrus is usually interpreted as mashiach nagid whilst the
- > identity of mashiach cut off is taken to be Onais III or King
- > Agrippa II.
- >
- > Any version which puts Cyrus as the anointed prince starts at 586
- > BCE, the date of the destruction of Jerusalem. But such versions
- > fail since Daniel states the year of the prophecy in verse 1 as
- > the first year of Darius the Mede i.e. 538 BCE, well after 586
- > BCE. Also, the starting point has to be at the rebuilding of
- > Jerusalem not the Destruction.
- [ stuff deleted to save space ]
-
- In 1b Vijay appears,IMHO, to discussing and refuting another interpretation
- of the verses in Daniel. In no way,IMHO, is Vijay claiming to hold
- the veiws that are being refuted in the footnote.
-
- It follows, the claims of contradiction and inconsistancy
- are not from an internal contradiction of the proof,
- but arise from a misunderstanding in the mind of the disprover.
-
- ( Normally, I am only a lurker, but this "contradiction"
- seemed to be such a misunderstanding of the claims of the
- proof that felt I should comment.)
-
- M.Swihart
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