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- From: rjb@carson.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars)
- Newsgroups: alt.magick
- Subject: Re: Alchemy
- Date: 26 Jan 1993 05:29:36 GMT
- Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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- There's actually a small problem in a remark by Lorenzo Farris --
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- Quantum mechanics and relativity did not falsify Newtonian physics. A
- watermelon thrown from my roof will still hit the ground at the speed
- that Newton predicts. ;-)
-
- --
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- Without really wanting to open the whole can of monkeys of falsifi-
- cationism and so on, I would like to point out that not only did
- Newton have something to do with Newtoniam physics, but that he
- was also a practicing alchemist, and (later) a zealous searcher into
- the Real Meaning (tm) of the NT book called "The Apocalypse of St John."
-
- At least as far as Newton was concerned, Newtonian physics falsified
- neither of these other enterprises. As far, however, as (for example)
- Mr Farris is concerned, the traditional claims of alchemy are at least
- made problematic by a physics which does not make "Newtonian physics"
- problematic.
-
- I don't mean to criticize Mr Farris's remarks about alchemy and
- contemporary physics. I just want to point out the old chestnut that
- it's often not a theory "in itself" but a theory-in-interpretive-context
- that's subject to falsification, and it can be a judgement call whether
- it's the theory or the background assumption set that has been falsified.
-
- If we want to say that Newtonian physics hasn't been falsified by later
- developments, isn't it possible that we may end up reconstructing an
- unfalsified Correct Interpretation of Newtonian Physics out of the
- ensemble of ways in which it was understood before those later
- developments came along?
-
- And isn't this rather like the project of apologetic theologians who
- contrive to show that the initiated interpretation of their doctrines
- really never has contradicted what we all now know to be true?
-
- Even something that we all feel at home with, like Newtonian physics,
- quickly resolves into a tangle of problems when approached by historians
- and philosophers of science (whose careers are of course justified by
- the discovery or invention of these tangles).
-
- The same problems that beset history of science also beset "ethnoscience,"
- the study of living sciences and technologies embedded in cultural
- contexts very unlike our own. "Chinese medicine" (already a problematic
- term!) provides a very good example of these problems. There is no
- easy "translation" of accounts or events or activities in terms of
- Chinese medicine into terms of modern cosmopolitan medicine. It takes
- people (or teams) simultaneously adept in both to be able to begin to
- see in what ways both do (or do not) engage the same world -- and what
- is the same about the worlds both engage.
-
- Alchemy is even less easy to evaluate in modern terms. But one thing
- is clear. In its own terms, much of alchemy was in fact about doing
- things in laboratories, and getting laboratory results. It is very hard
- to assess a technological literature without having at least worked in,
- if not mastered, the techniques on which that literature is focused --
- and the various modern counterparts of those techniques as well.
-
- Nathan Sivin's _Chinese Alchemy: Preliminary Studies_ is an example
- of one kind of valuable work; Hopkins _ALchemy, Child of Greek Philosophy_,
- with its conjectural reconstruction of alchemical technique in terms of
- the metallurgy of Hopkins' period, is another kind of valuable study.
- But very little published work on western alchemy has been both
- historically and philosophically scrupulous *and* based in a thorough mastery
- of both modern and alchemical technologies.
-
- In the face of these difficulties, judgements about whether alchemy
- "works" can only be premature.
-
- --LeGrand
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