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- From: cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
- Newsgroups: alt.magick
- Subject: Rituals and "frameworks" (was: ritual in lucid dreams)
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- Date: 24 Jan 93 17:52:12 EST
- Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics
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- Hello,
-
- nancyp@techbook.com (Nancy Parsons) writes...
-
- > It is our great talent, as human beings, to enfold our world in a
- > "framework" of ideas, to understand it, predict what will happen,
- > and to control (as much as we can) the outcome of events. Yet
- > it seems to me that our great strength can be in some sense a
- > weakness when it comes to magick. Our effort to understand magick
- > can rob us of the ability to fully experience it. [some deleted]
- > As such ritual is very much a double-edged sword; we can become
- > so accustomed to dealing with the metaphor for the noumenon that
- > ritual is that we lose sight of what that metaphor represents.
-
- Maybe that's why many systems leave open the possiblity (nay, perhaps
- the inevitability) of 'revelatory' experiences -- the knowledge and
- conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel, crossing the Abyss, etc. --
- that shock one out of ones complacency, and force critical re-evaluations
- of the symbols and applications one has grown accustomed to.
-
- > I don't know how to deal with magick without a framework of some
- > kind, at least not yet, but I wish I did.
-
- Hmmm, I think you'd have to go over to some of the Eastern practices,
- such as zen, to eliminate the 'framework.' Me, I like the richness of
- symbols that the Western tradition has to offer, and I guess that many
- years of being a stark, scientific atheist has a lot to do with not
- losing sight of the 'metaphorical-ness' of it all! :-)
-
- > It seems to me, though, that when intention, personal or
- > otherwise, gets into magick, that something is lost. Dawn said
- > earlier how she doesn't DO anything after casting the circle any
- > more. I wonder, sometimes, whether it is so necessary to do anything.
- > Maybe just being there is the thing.
-
- I like it. All the talk of magical 'Will' gets tired after a while.
- Magic(k) doesn't have to have 'real world' goals any more than religion
- does.
-
- Steve Cranmer
-