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- From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
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- Subject: Re: Alchemy
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 14:49:00 GMT
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- In article <74128@cup.portal.com>, Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes...
- >93!01.21 e.v.
- >
-
- It seems Tagi, that you've already decided its IMPOSSIBLE. With
- that preconceived idea you'll never get anywhere with alchemy.
-
- >I'll restate this a bit more clearly so people can see what I'm
- >arguing:
- >
- >1) What proof shall we accept that a person has 'extended' their
- >life in some fashion? What criteria shall we accept in order
- >to justify accepting this literally?
- >
- >2) Same goes for 'lead-into-gold'. How shall we determine,
- >precisely, that this 'transmutation' has taken place?
- >
-
- Do you really think that if someone could do these things they'd
- want to participate in your proofs? Hardly.
-
- Also, applying these standards to your own claims of personal
- transformation, how can you prove you were really transformed?
- Your claims are far more subjective than the (literal) claims of
- alchemy. How can you believe it happened without scientific
- proof? :)
-
- >The problem here is that no credible scientific data has been
- >accumulated to establish the truth of either of these claims.
-
- Its not the nature of the alchemical tradition to do this. You
- are judging if with your standards.
-
- >Until there is some I feel we are much wiser to assume that they
- >are simply metaphors for nonphysical phenomena.
-
- That's not an assumption, its a judgement, a preconceived notion,
- a bias. Skepticism is valuable but not this. You'll never get
- anywhere in alchemy with this.
-
- >Do I hear a counter-argument? Yes, skepticism is very fine and
- >good, but when we have evidence that many people DID die early
- >due to 'alchemical potions/pills of longevity', why need we
- >reserve the tentative judgement that these are STORIES, rather
- >than facts? (i.e. subjective rather than objective data)
-
- Ah, so you admit it. You have made a judgement. Well, I
- disagree. I think skepticism is sufficient protection and that
- starting an investigation with a judgement already made will
- limit what you will find.
- >
- >Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva
- >Thyagi@HouseofKaOS.Abyss.com
-
-
- - Peggy -
-