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- From: D.Morgan@bradford.ac.uk (D MORGAN)
- Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
- Subject: Re: Historical Questions on Locksmithing
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.055538.10430@bradford.ac.uk>
- Date: 28 Jan 93 05:55:38 GMT
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- warlord@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins) writes:
-
- >I'll try to answer this as best as I can. I've also played role-playing
- >games with the same "technological limits" as your situation.... However,
- >I'll answer from the present and try to provide a guess for the past, as
- >I'm not an historian....
-
- > 1) What material(s) were lock picks frequently made from? Is there
- > a general "order of quality" involved?
-
- >Basically any type of springy metal. Spring steel is the best, IMHO,
- >but others have made make-shift picks from bicycle spokes or similar-
- >consistency metals. Lockpicks basically look like a bunch of short
- >pieces of metal with various cuts, twists, bends, etc.
-
- If you want to set a range of values, set cheapo picks to be the ones that
- bend, wear etc. I dont know if anyone would be seen dead nowadays using
- picks that are easy to bend ouy of shape, ie soft metal, but in thise times,
- metal had to be hammered into shape, and could only be joined by
- forge-welding, an art in itself. It is to be expected that the picks of those
- times were frequently of an extremely low standard.
- For cheapo picks, a test should be made every attempt (2% cumulative sounds
- right, to show the wear on the pick) to see if the pick breaks in the lock.
-
- > 2) Can one learn to pick locks alone? How do learning rates compare
- > with (a) working as a locksmith apprentice, and (b) having a personal
- > tutor in the field?
-
- >I've found that the best way to learn is alone. It helps to have
- >instructors to get the knowledge of how locks work, but the actual
- >ability to get one open is a personal-experience thing. You can have
- >someone there to kind of help you along, and give suggestions, but you
- >have to figure out your own technique: how much torque, style, etc.
- >And this cannot be taught. Basically, the more practice, the better
- >one will become. However if its not used in a long time, the "feel"
- >can be lost, but it can be picked up easily.
-
- I hope one can, as I intend to.
- As I see it (everyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong; I probably am),
- it would be easyer to obtain a wider range of locks to dismantle, and therefore
- understand, as an apprentice.
- However, if the locksmith does not teach his apprentice the art of lockpicking,
- then the apprentice would have to reinvent the wheel; design his own picks,
- etc.
-
- > 3) I would guess that the most effective method for opening chests
- > and coffers would be to destroy them rather than pick the lock;
- > is this the case?
-
- >Depends on the chest, and how subtle you want to be. If you don't
- >want anyone to know you've been there, I highly recommend spending the
- >time to pick the lock rather than destroy someone else's property.
- >Also, destroying a metal chest might be quite difficult!
-
- The destruction of a chest, or the smashing of the lid, etc. could also
- be ruled to have a detrimental effect on the objects inside; breaking
- bottles, etc.
-
- > 4) Given that my imaginary world is made up of several races with
- > widely varying histories and cultures, is it reasonable for me to
- > claim that elvish locks are significantly different from dwarvish
- > locks? What sort of re-training (on the spot, a few days, etc.)
- > would be required to acclimate to the new locks?
-
- >There are many different types of locks even in our own human-only
- >world! However, the way a lock works, physically, is the same across
- >all types of locks (one piece of metal stops another piece of metal
- >from moving, and a third piece of metal is used to move the first one
- >out of the way of the second).
-
- Thos does nit mean that each race would not have its own preffered method of
- lockmaking; I see dwarves as generally fairly clannish and tending to live as a
- group, so internal locks would be unnecessary. However, their external defenses
- are always sturdy and reliable, with extremely good but not fancy workmanship.
- Weak picks would rarely be capable of moving the heavily-sprung tumblers.
-
- Elves would, i envisage, have much fancyer mechanisms, involving much fancyer
- keyshapes and intricate routines that need to be enacted (3 turns right, 2
- left...)
-
- > 5) Locks become physically harder to pick with age, correct? But does
- > the level of locksmithing advance quickly in this time period or
- > are locks from the 1600's roughly equivalent to locks from the 1790's?
-
- >Depends on the lock. A well-maintained lock will last a long time.
- >However one left out in the wind and rain will quickly rust and bind!
- >I don't know about the technology.
-
- It depends on the machining, as I see it; if your lock is made by forging,
- filing, sawing and rivetting by hand then you will not get a Yale.
-
- Also, new techniques of picking will need to be countered by the better locks.
-
- > 6) Can "unpickable" locks be fashioned with this level of technology?
- > If so, what does "unpickable" translate to in terms of time span?
-
- >No. There is no such thing as an "unpickable" lock. There are locks
- >that are EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to pick, but no lock that I know of is
- >*impossible* (although many come close ;-). Some locks can be opened
- >in 5 seconds, and others can take over 10-15 minutes or more! Or, one
- >can just fail totally!
-
- Hmmm. The Elves may well have some difficult ones that the average thief
- would not have the tools to pick.
-
- ...stuff deleted...
-
- > 10) Is it possible to pick locks with one hand? Does ambidexterity help?
-
- >Its fairly difficult to pick with one hand, but its quite possible.
- >Ambidexterity can help only in that when one hand gets tired of
- >picking, you can switch it for the hand thats torquing, etc.
-
- At this level of technology, i should think 2 fingers and a thumb.
- Elves are differnt, of course; they need total concentration.
- Dwarved locks probably need a lot of force, so a minimum of 1 haand.
-
- BTW, I should think that having 3 or more hands would be a definite advantage,
- with any lock. Time penaltys for using only 1 hand).
-
- > Thank you in advance,
- >No problem. I hope this helps. If anyone else has any comments,
- >please share them.
-
- Most of what I say is total speculation, but thats life. Happy RPGing...
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