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- From: smcmilla@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott A McMillan)
- Subject: Bots and Common Sense
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:01:37 GMT
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- I would like to add my two cents worth of what, to me, is some common sense
- as far as bots go.
-
- Let's start with what IRC is: Internet Relay Chat. Okay, so the purpose of
- IRC is to chat. I take that to mean to talk, to hold a conversation. From the
- ardent supporters of vanity bots, I must be wrong...
-
- Going on. Can people own channels? Nope. Why not? The number of channels is
- potentially infinite. Any basic economics book will tell you that you can
- only own something if there is a finite amount of it. In response to the
- people who are plagued by people who join their channels and kick everyone
- off or deop them or commit other IRC crimes... Create a new channel and
- ban the offender and then invite everyone over...
-
- Next. Can people own nicks? Yep. I know that I violate my previous argument,
- but nicks are names, when it's all boiled down. And names just represent
- people. When I get on, I like to know who among my friends is on. The easiest
- way to do that is using notify. Now is nicks are not exclusive, I'll have no
- way of telling if that nick equals my friend... Therefore, nicks should be
- owned. Plus, I can always /whois a friend, invisible or not, and find out
- what channel they are on (there are exceptions, I'll grant), while I can't
- /who channel and tell exactly who is on it...
-
- I personally believe that nickserv is doing a fine job right now...
-
- Vanity bots... I'll admit that I have written a bot, and ran it for about
- two days. Then I wrote an ircrc. For better or worse, bots are good as
- sources for ircrc's. Bot's that just hold a channel are wastes of IRC
- resources (for the reasons mentioned above.) Bots that op users are also
- a waste. Let's go back to what IRC is: chat. I sure don't need an op to
- chat. Some people sure think they do. Maybe if people didn't throw around
- ops, they wouldn't get kicked off 'their own' channel. I personally auto-op
- three people when they join (from an ircrc.) I know lots of people on
- IRC, but I op three. Point made? I refuse to join #hotsex and #hottub because
- of the number of opings and deopings that just clutter the channel and
- interfear with talking, the supposed purpose of IRC.
-
- Let's see, what other reasons are there why someone would run a bot? To
- keep people off of a channel? Use an ircrc. I can't stress it enough,
- an ircrc can do everything a bot can do, but it is better. You don't have
- to worry about the bot getting kicked off a channel or losing it's op.
- The commands are shorter (eg. /msg botname op nickname vs. /op nickname, or
- even if you shorten the /msg botname with an alias, it's still /alias op
- nickname) and easier to remember. Plus, ircrcs are written from the ground
- up, therefore the user gains some knowledge of IRC script. I know of bots
- created by just changing the /nick at the top and the op list. Can't learn
- much from that...
-
- Let's look at useful bots such as Nicksrv and Helpsrv and all of the others
- that fall into the useful category. Let them stay. They perform a service that
- individual users can't provide for themselves. That is how I define a useful
- bot. If it does something that that I, as a user, can not do by myself (such
- as nickname registration), it's a good bot. If it just does something that
- any old user can do (op, deop, ban, etc) it's a bad bot. As far as bots that
- flood users or try to make witty conversation, kick 'em off. A good rule
- of thumb is that no bot should talk unless msged, and then only in the form
- of a msg.
-
- I hope that makes sense to most people. I do not believe that bots can ever
- be banned from irc, so we have to put up with them. We SHOULD however, make
- sure that they never flood and avoid loops. Hopefully, users will progress
- from using bots (at least harmful ones) and become mature IRC users, and
- not out to only op your friends and ban your enemies.
-
- As far a `right' to have a bot, sure you can have your bot, just don't get
- mad if I kick it off.... The roads goes both ways....
-
- socket
-
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- Scott Andrew McMillan University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
- socket@uiuc.edu "Fighting for peace is like fornicating for chastity"
- smcmilla@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu What about my ontological predicates???
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