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- From: erics@sco.COM (eric smith)
- Subject: Re: Homosexual Nazis?
- Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:15:43 GMT
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- References: <1992Nov27.214328.26282@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <1993Jan22.163418.10191@bradford.ac.uk> <1993Jan22.172007.27907@bradley.bradley.edu>
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- larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
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- > A far as the Reich is concerned, in its beginnings the Brown Shirts,
- > forerunners of the SS, was headed by a fellow whose name escapes me
- > but who was homosexual.
-
- Ernst Roehm.
-
- > In 1936 (?) there was a move to consolidate
- > power by Himmler, Goebbles, etc. and "The Night of the Long Knives"
- > involved a massive purge of many Nazi leaders at the time. One of
- > these was the head of the Brown Shirts, a homosexual, and several
- > other prominent homosexuals in the Nazi organization and government.
- > That is when things turned nasty for gays in Germany.
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- > Hitler himself has never been considered to be gay or even gay-sympathetic.
- > When you read the passages in "Mein Kampf" (try to read the German
- > original, BTW), there is more humor and sarcasm --- which later turned
- > into hatred. Gays in the Third Reich were thought incapable of producing
- > any Kinder and the trait nonproductive for the proliferation of the
- > 'super-race'.
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- The fact that Roehm and many of his followers were homosexuals was
- always secondary, in Hitler's view, to political aims. Hitler was
- quite aware, during the rise of the Nazi Party, that there were
- many gays in the S.A. (Brown Shirts) and its leadership. He had
- no qualms about using their support to further his political ends,
- and no qualms about destroying them when their presence was no
- longer in accord with those ends. When he began to acquire a more
- mainstream following the S.A. became an embarassment to him, and
- he decided to purge Roehm and his followers. He knew that in order
- to attract the support of the traditional military establishment
- he had to reign in his half-organized, paramilitary rabble rousers.
- He also knew that Roehm would not willingly give up his powerful
- position, so the purge would have to be quick and bloody. It was a
- clear indication of Hitler's methods, the work of a ruthless power
- seeker.
-
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