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- From: vidya@cco.caltech.edu (Vidyasankar Sundaresan)
- Subject: Re: Forgeries of Hindu Scriptures
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- In article <9301161957.AA07480@ar-rimal.cs.utexas.edu> prabu@cs.utexas.edu
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- - From: prabu@cs.utexas.edu (Prabu Muthu)
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- - Subject: Re: Forgeries of Hindu Scriptures
- - Date: 16 Jan 1993 13:57:08 -0600
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- - Arun, you say:
- - (i) if the RigVeda was composed in India (rather than brought in by
- - migrating `Aryan' tribes) in 1500 B.C. or so; and the `Purusha Sukta'
- - dates to ~0 A.D. then, that the caste system began as enslavement of
- - `Dravidians', etc., is a bit of a myth. (That is, whatever caste system
- - existed did not have `Vedic' support.)
- -
- -
- - Firstly, there is no proof that the Rig Veda was composed in India;
- surely,
- - parts of it were, and perhaps even entire books. But the Rig Veda was a
- - work in progress, and the "enslavement of Dravidians" only began in the
- - late stages of Aryan migration (seemingly). There are plenty of
- instances
- - in the Rig Veda in which the duksa (I think that is the word used - it's
- been
- - a little while), or "dark-skinned" people are mentioned in
- not-so-glowing
- - terms, and in which Aryan victories over the duksas are celebrated and
- - attributed to Indra and Agni (fire being an important weapon to destroy
- - villages and cities).
- -
-
- Yes, the Rg Veda mentions 'dasyus', who were dark-skinned and who were
- defeated by Indra and Agni. However remember that that does not constitute
- proof that the 'incoming Aryans' conquered a dark skinned race. The
- Europeans who interpreted the Rg Veda for most of us ignoramus Indians
- (who are content, by the way, to accept what the fairer-skinned white man
- tells us) based their Aryan vs. Dravidian/other indigenous peoples on the
- presence of a vast variety of racial groups in India. Assuming the truth
- of that theory, they 'found' evidence for it in the Rg Vedic mention of
- dasyus. The Aryan theory was concocted by some racists who only served
- Hitler's purpose. It is circular argument to say that there is evidence
- for the concept of an Aryan race defeating an indigenous race, in the
- Vedas. It is sad that Indians are still slaves to the British Raj
- mentality.
-
-
- - The caste system could still be attributed at least partially to the
- - subjugation of certain segments of the population, mostly indigenous,
- - who didn't submit wholly voluntarily to the incoming peoples.
- -
-
- Remember India did not exist in isolation. Various groups of people,
- Greeks, Arabs, Chinese, etc. have entered India over the ages, by land and
- by sea. All these people got accommodated in the caste system too. The
- original idea of four varnas was long submerged in the later jati system,
- which evolved from society having to absorb different populations at
- different times. To Alexander and his Greek historians, Porus, the king of
- the Punjab was dark-skinned, yet he surely was an 'Aryan', probably a near
- descendent of one of those 'Aryan' kings who drove the Dravidians to the
- south! This only goes to show what bull the whole thing is.
-
- There is not much evidence one way or the other to decide conclusively
- whether the Aryans who wrote the Vedas themselves were an indigenous
- people or whether they came from outside. It is unscientific to keep
- repeating like a parrot, the same theory without refuting another theory
- which explains the same facts. Goes to show how powerful the effect of
- indoctrination is.
-
-
- - Prabu
- - --
- - Prabu Muthu prabu@cs.utexas.edu
- - Comp Sci/Philosophy
- -
-
- S.Vidyasankar
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