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- From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
- Newsgroups: alt.hackers
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- Subject: Re: My first nntp hack
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- References: <1j2dlaINN80f@apache.dtcc.edu>
- Message-ID: <93012010087@drktowr.chi.il.us>
- Organization: DarkTower Software
- Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 12:24:22 CST
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- Ken Weaverling (weave@apache.dtcc.edu) wrote:
- : In article <387532.124@nsa.gov> anonymous (root@nsa.gov) writes:
- : >obhack: This post, my first nntp hack, fairly trivial but I spent a few
- : >hours going through the various ports (and in the process discoved fake mail
- : >and ftp) by the way, can anyone tell me what the following ports are for?
- : >7, 9, 13, 19, 37, 53, 70, 79, 105, 111? Can't figure those ones out.
-
- : Gesssh, I hope you enjoyed port 19! :-)
-
- : To me, hacking isn't brute force and trail and error. This is a no-brainer...
- : And forging usenet and smtp mail is no big deal either. If you want to
- : impress people, go out, learn a decent programming language, and then
- : code a nifty utility that benefits "the net" and *that* will make you
- : well known and admired...
-
- I have to disagree, at least about trial and error. What he did above
- is a classic hacker move - not the smtp and nntp hacking, but the
- trial and error.
-
- Are not the best hacks those that teach you a new thing, learned on
- your own without manuals? He had no clue what most of the ports were,
- but he started trying them and learned for himself. A hcak doesn't have
- to impress anyone but yourself, and to be a true hack you must learn from
- it.
-
- I'd say he learned a lot on his own, even if there were easier ways to
- do it. He is not trying to become "well known and admired". He is
- trying to 1) have a little harmless fun, and 2) learn something about
- how TCP/IP ports are set up.
-
- See, when you described writing the OS, the "hack" part of it was not
- writing a program -- any yahoo can write a program with 4th generation
- languages these days, and OS's are popping up left and right now --
- the impressive part was that you went to the effort to disassemble it
- instead of trying to get tech manuals for it. You took the hard way and
- learned something extra along the way. You probably learned a lot
- in fact.
-
- To me the point of hacking is two-fold 1) Most importantly to learn,
- and 2) to cross some type of barrier. If those are done without
- hurting anyone or anything, it doesn't matter if the hack is writing
- an OS, forging mail, or replacing a fan belt with your wife's nylons.
- Doing something to become "well-known and admired" is what the system
- crackers do, not hackers. Hackers do it for themselves. They don't
- print up cool T-shirts and stuff, they just do it -- whether it's to
- fix a problem at work or to goof around in USENET.
-
- He saw a problem, he set a goal to get around the problem, and
- he did it while learning along the way. That's a good hack in my book.
-
- ObHack:
- None today, sorry. I'm working on a few though...
-
- -Louis
-
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