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- From: maufd@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J S Graley)
- Newsgroups: alt.flame
- Subject: Re: Girls & alt.flame
- Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:39:50 -0000
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- In article <katherim.728001107@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
- |Me, no logic. That's funny Graley (one of your rare moments). Here, I
- |will demonstrate my logic in proving to you that you do not know that
- |there is a physical world:
- |
- |PREMIS #1: You cannot know anything if there is a reasonable doubt
- | that you are incorrect.
- |PREMIS #2: You think you exist because of the information you gather
- | from your five (arguably six, the sixth being the sense
- | of the passage of time) senses.
- |PREMIS #3: You have no proof that the information from your senses is
- | actually from the outside. You could be merely a brain
- | in a vat in a psych lab being prodded to produce sensation.
- |CONCLUSION: You cannot know whether or not there is a physical world
-
- Your conclusion here is correct. It's a pity you have to parrot completely
- irrelevent information straight from your lecture notes in order to defend
- yourself in alt.flame. Where are your _own_ conclusions? Do you have any?
- Have you a brain (eg an INDEPENDENT source of new ideas)?
-
- |CONCLUSION 2 (PAY ATTENTION HERE, GRISLEY): Don't tell someone who has
- | taken philosophy that they are not logical.
-
- Ok, Miss 'philosopy', firstly my sirname is Graley, not GRISLEY.
-
- Secondly, this conclusion does not follow from your three given premises.
-
- Thirdly, The premises it does follow from are incorrect. I am doing a pure
- maths degree. Not only have I learned about logic, like you have, but I
- _actually_ _use_ _it_. Understand? When it comes to the ability to manipulate
- abstract (but potentially real) concepts in a consistent way, you
- philosophers just don't have it. My dad did philosophy as a degree, and
- he advised me to take maths. Why? Because Philosophy is just a big boring
- history lesson. You wanna be a philosopher when you grow up? Firstly, DROP
- PHILOSOPHY. Learn about the world, about life, about how to think, and you
- may stand a chance. But so few people become sucessful philosophers, a
- degree in it is pretty much guaranteed to be a waste of time.
-
- Sorry to shatter your dreams, Kathy.
-
- |Perhaps you would like me to prove to you that you have no free will.
- |I can do that too. Or that you cannot move. It all can be logically
- |proven.
-
- I was given exactly this assertion (no free will), with explaination, by a
- sixteen year old friend over christmas. He had deduced it all by himself, and
- I was impressed. Coming from your lecture notes? Not so. Sorry Kathy, but
- when it comes to intellect, you have already missed the bus.
-
- So fuck off.
-
- ~THE GREAT NAME
-
- PS I'm sure 'premis' is spelt 'premise'. I could be wrong about that...
- --
- Don't worry,
- Its like in the comic books...
- ITS NOT REAL!
-