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- From: dallagata@udphvx.cineca.it
- Newsgroups: alt.flame
- Subject: Re: Intellectuals & women
- Date: 24 Jan 93 17:44:21 +0000
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- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.174421.1@udphvx.cineca.it>
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- In article <1993Jan24.220749.4526@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jbl3g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Basinger Linkins) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan24.061211.1@udphvx.cineca.it> dallagata@udphvx.cineca.it writes:
- >
- > Sure. I understand, and that is perfectly reasonable. But life is full
- > of regrets, full of "I could have done this..." But it is for the individ-
- > ual to try to find his or her own fulfillment. If they can't...that's life.
- > It is better that they find it on their own then to have fools like you
- > decide for them.
-
- [Jason, flame off, please]
-
- I-do-not-want-to-decide-for-anybody-but-me. Can you
- understand this? Sometime we say the same thing, and other
- times, we just wanna flame. My point is not to enforce
- anybody. My point is to let a woman to work and to care
- abouyt family if SHE WANTS TO DO THAT.
-
- I can give you an example of what I think:
-
- Italy, 1992. I was in a corporation, I was supposed to become
- a manager. There were 10 positions. All of the 10 people
- choosen were male. All the women complained about that,
- as it is obvious that it happens.
-
- On the same corporation, one woman, a secretary, had the
- need to stay home every afternoon with her children. She
- had not the husband. She had to fight *alone* six month to
- convince the boss to do that. Some women were complaining
- that it was not fair that she had such an opportunity.[sic]
-
- I belive that everywoman have to have such an *opportunity*.
- This world is tough, it does not mean that we don't have to
- improve it.
-
- Also, there are employers that ask to women to sign a letter
- where the woman declare that if she has a child, she will
- resign. It is not legal, but it happens.
-
- Those things scares the women. Those things can induce the
- woman to think that to have a child is a bad business.
- To induce a woman to think in this way, is a moral crime
- (on my morality, sure).
-
- Maybe now you understand better my point. I don't want to
- enforce women to think that they are baby-machines, I would
- like to stop the society to induce women to think that
- having a child, they can lose everything else.
-
- To do it, society needs to have a different vision of woman
- that work, a larger one.
- >
- >>
- > By the way, you haev conveniently deleted my last post.
-
- Sorry, but you did cut some point of mine, I did not like it.
-
- > I am still
- > waiting for all those supporters of yours to make themselves known to me.
-
- They do what they want to do. I can't enforce them to dedice
- to show up. It is alt.flame.
-
- > Also, the names of the three-hundred year old women I asked for before
- > is still something I need to have.
-
- That's a point that you conveniently cut before. I said
- that *you* think that they were not happy, but that, *maybe*
- they were happy. I just told you that you could not *proove*
- anything about that. Neither with the history books.
-
- Anyway, do you think that the Native American women were not
- happy? Let me know, just for fun.
- >
- Michele
-