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- From: dallagata@udphvx.cineca.it
- Newsgroups: alt.flame
- Subject: Re: Intellectuals & women
- Date: 23 Jan 93 13:38:40 +0000
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- Lines: 109
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.133840.1@udphvx.cineca.it>
- References: <1993Jan22.115547.1@udphvx.cineca.it> <1993Jan22.223525.7628@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- You made a bad job, "intellectual", sometime you conveniently deleted
- the reason for which I think/feel in this way. You'll see.
-
- In article <1993Jan22.223525.7628@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jbl3g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Basinger Linkins) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan22.115547.1@udphvx.cineca.it> dallagata@udphvx.cineca.it writes:
- >>
- > Oh GOD, an extremist. Let's think logically...shall we? There will
- > always be children in this world. Always. Never have I espoused the
- > end of population. But, of course, it's all black and white for you.
- > I forget you are incapable of flexing your puny mental muscle.
- >
- So, why DID YOU DELETE THE FACT ABOUT ITALY THAT'S HAVING
- LESS CHILDBIRTHS THAN DEATHS?!?!? Because it was against
- your fucking point?!? Bull shit, man! A big one.
-
- [everything deleted, because I am tired of that. Wait to
- flame, you'll see]
-
- Ok, let's try to summarize. If you don't like it, just tell
- me that, and I will answer to all the point you made, but now I
- don't care.
-
- You says (correct me if I am wrong here):
-
- [1] To have a child can be the most wonderful experience for
- some women, *BUT* not for everywoman.
-
- [2] If they decide in this way, it is just because they have the
- right to decide their lifes.
-
- [3] I (you) am not cold, I do care about women (sorry, but I
- need this point because I wanna also proove that you are
- cold, with my bigger model that's better then your).
-
- [4] The world works in this way, let it spins in this way.
-
- I say:
-
- [1] I belive, that for every woman to have a child can be the
- most wonderful experience.
-
- [2] They can decide to do something else, right, but that's
- the big point. If they do, I just don't like them (that
- means I give to them the same respect that I can give to
- an asshole).
-
- [3] The world is wrong (not only in this point) let's think
- about how to improve it.
-
- [4] I DON'T WANT TO ENSLAVE WOMEN, I WOULD LIKE TO FREE THEN FROM
- THE SLAVERY THAT MEN AS YOU GIVE TO THEM!
-
- Here my point (you mist it, sorry, maybe it has been an english
- problem):
-
- The keyword is *to decide*. Many women decide to have not
- children because they want to keep their career.
-
- It is not a women "fault", it is a society fault.
- You can be right when we speak about women that *absolutely*
- do not want to have children (for many reasons).
-
- But, what about the women that decide to have not children
- because this society don't let them to have children and to
- have a career? Do you think that there are not solutions?
-
- Do you think that is in this way and so it will have to be
- in this way? Do you think that this is to *care* about women?
- Do you think that this is not cold?
-
- There are women (two is enough), that are NOT ABLE TO DECIDE,
- man. Whatever they decide, they loose something else. It is
- not FAIR. And if something is not fair, we have to change it,
- ok? And to change this, does not mean "Tell to women that
- they have only to have children", NO!
-
- It means: "Tell to women that they have to fight as *women*
- to have the *RIGHT* TO WORK AND TO HAVE A FAMILY". And they do
- not do it. That's what I would like to see in this world:
- Women fighting to improve the society giving to it the best
- of women culture (yes, even the concept of love for the
- children, instead of the concept of hate, that causes the
- wars, tipical of men, dear boy).
-
- Why do they have to decide? Why don't we have to give them
- the opportunity to do both the things? Why a woman DON'T
- HAVE TO BE HAPPY ANYMORE FOR BEING A MOTHER?!?
- The problem is that they do not have to decide this, AS WE
- DON'T! We can have children and have a career. To have the
- same right, MEANS THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DECIDE TO HAVE
- NOT CHILDREN, OK?
-
- And now I also answer you about when I think that women
- behave like men:
-
- Women behave like men when they think that this system is ok.
- This system is a male oriented system. For sure. To think
- that this system don't damage them and that don't hurt their
- feelings is stupid and dangerous, other than a *male*
- thought. If they think in this way, they behave as men, if
- they don't they have to try to change it. Easy, no?
-
- It is dangerous because it means that people think that
- women don't have to improve society anymore, and this society needs
- to be improved. If you don't think in this way, you are a
- reactionary. And, look, I neither like reactionaries, they
- can die, I don't care.
-
- Michele
-