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- From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
- Subject: Nice Guys ( was Men Male Bashers )
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.154012.9999@wam.umd.edu>
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- Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:40:12 GMT
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- pepke@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)writes:
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- In article <1993Jan17.014306.7372@adobe.com> kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) writes:
- >OK. Let's define what "nice, sensitive guy" means...
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- >I am a woman and I wanted a "nice, sensitive guy". I've dated self-centered
- >jerks and as I matured and came to care more about my own "quality of life"
- >(yep - it's, arghhh, SELF-ESTEEM!), I quit seeing the self-centered jerks
- >as better-than-me-and-therefore-desirable, and saw them as self-centered
- >jerks not worth wasting my time on.
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- pepke@dirac.scri.fsu.edu ( Eric Pepke)writes:
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- Thanks for saying this. It is consistent with my experience.
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- The reason I set the followups the way I did is that I want to talk about
- the message that men get. The message is this:
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- 1) If you're a self-centered jerk, you'll get plenty of dates.
- 2) It you're a nice, sensitive guy, you may at some time acquire a long-term
- partner who may or may not stop dating self-centered jerks. In the mean
- time, you might as well watch Popeye cartoons to see what your forearms
- are going to look like.
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- This is generally called the "nice guy syndrome."
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- sfjr@wam.umd.edu ( Steve Russell) writes:
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- Every once in a while I do meet a woman who says she doesnt like
- nice guys etc etc. These women are rarely emotionally health/mature
- by my standards and I rarely find them attractive beyond their bodies.
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- I think the "anti-nice guy" sentiment is perpetuated by these women
- AND by some men confusing "nice" with "obsequius", "officious"
- "solictious" etc which no one wants. Women want Men, not schmucks
- but not spineless panting dogs which is what some men confuse
- to mean as "nice" and when it doesnt work conclude that only
- being a jerk will get them a girlfriend.
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- Steve R
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