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- From: spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
- Subject: Re: Hypnopompia & "old hag" (longish)
- Message-ID: <11p3zgn@rpi.edu>
- Summary: More details of my experience
- Keywords: hypnopompia, sleep paralysis, hallucinations, old hag, oobe
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- Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:57:06 GMT
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- On Mon, 25 Jan 93 gb250016@ccs.carleton.ca ( gb student 250016) wrote:
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- > I was very interested in your "Old Hag" report, and that it triggered
- > an out of body experience. Myself and two other members of my lab are
- > interested in this phenomena, and would appreciate it if you would post
- > more detailed descriptions of these experiences in alt. dreams.
-
- Well, each time it happened (3 times so far, over the last year or so), I
- was in the middle of a dream. Each time, the dreams seemed to become
- increasingly lucid. I don't think any of them, however, reached full lucidity.
- I was just lucid enough to be aware that I was making conscious decisions,
- but not so much that I was able to perform reality tests or the like.
-
- In each dream, I had the strange feeling that there was another "presence"
- there along with me. It was a very strong feeling, but hard to describe.
- In all 3 cases, it seemed like the "presence" was connected with a ghost,
- or at leat the memory of a dead person.
-
- More specifically, the first time, the dream was of green glowing human figures
- walking through a dark tunnel. In this dream, I was speaking to the "presence",
- whose identity was unknown, and trying to convince it ("him", I think) that the
- figures were ghosts. The "old hag" feeling sort of came out of nowhere this
- time, and it was truly a surprise and very scary, since it was my first one.
-
- In the second dream, I was wandering through a strange room, and came
- upon a circle of 5 or six people talking amongst themselves. I sort of moved
- in to hear what they were saying, and then noticed that my grandmother
- was in the bunch of people. In real life, she had died earlier that year.
- When, in the dream, I realized that she should not have been there since she
- was dead, the "old hag" feeling began.
-
- In the third dream, there were some people I vaguely knew in a hotel room
- (I think), along with (don't laugh!) a pile of dog crap. I rememer thinking,
- what the hell is this doing here? Then I saw or envisioned my collie Sally,
- who had died a year or two ago. And, as in the second dream, when I realized
- that she was dead and shouldn't "be" there, I felt the "old hag" starting up.
-
- In all 3 cases, the "old hag" feeling starting out sort of like chills, or
- shivers like you get when you're cold or have a fever. Then, there was a
- feeling like I was bing grabbed by the shoulders and shaken (especially the
- first 2 times, where I had very strong vibrations). In all 3 cases, I
- woke up out of the dream, and realized my situation. But, even though I
- was (apparently) fully conscious, I could not budge a muscle. Then, the
- feeling of leaving my body came. The first time, it was just my hands,
- feeling as if they were floating away (in reality, I was lying on my back
- with my hands in my sweatshirt pocket, so they couldn't have been moving).
- It was more or less the same the second time. The third time, I was less
- frightened since I had been reading the various newsgroups here, and I
- consciously tried to "leave" my body. I used the roll-to-one-side technique
- and was surprised to find that it seemed to work. I didn't stay "out" for long,
- and I seemed to have no vision during the experience, but it was a strange,
- very different sort of feeling.
-
- Someone else on the net posted that the start of the "old hag" feeling was also
- accompanied by a sort of slap-in-the-face feeling, or a sudden realization
- of some kind. This was also the case for me.
-
- Also, in all three cases, after the experience, or rather, as it was subsiding,
- the feeling that there was a "presence" in my dream carried over into
- waking for a few seconds, so that I had a sense that I wasn't alone in
- my room. This feeling faded quickly, and I suspect it was just a remnant from
- the dream/experience. I should note that, unlike other people, I never saw
- an old hag or dark figure, so maybe this really isn't the same as the
- "old hag" experiences others have had. But there certainly was a strange
- feeling....
-
- Well, I hope this was of some help. Feel free to ask me any questions. BTW,
- I guess I should say that I don't necessarily "believe" in ghosts, spirits,
- astral planes, etc., but I am willing to accept that my mind may have
- many tricks up its sleeve that I don't know about! :)
-
- -Matt, creepy and ookie, hopefully not kooky....
-