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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- Subject: Re: Sexual Discrimination
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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:52:24 GMT
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- payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- ><C1J9G5.8Js@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >>payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >>><C1IpA6.H47@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >>
- >>>>That's like saying that women had no desire to be company president
- >>>>in the 1950's because they didn't apply. Perhaps there were a few
- >>>>exceptions: those cases where an exceptionally talented woman pushed
- >>>>her way through. Only the truly exceptional women would even pursue
- >>>>it; the others wouldn't waste the time, effort, and money, because
- >>>>the sexism was a pure and clear obstacle.
- >>>>
- > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
- >>>>If 70% of women who applied for company president were accepted
- >>>>under such circumstances, I, for one, would not conclude that women
- >>>>were treated equally or better than men.
- > ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
- > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
- >
- >>>Why is it that if "70% of women who applied for company president were
- >>>accepted" you would not expect sexist hiring pactices?
- >>>
- >>>[,,,___,,,]
- >>
- >>I don't understand your question -- where did I say anything like that?
- >
- >See above. It was not an obscure, hidden comment. I am a bit confused by
- >your response.
-
- I see the problem: you apparently misunderstood my statement, as
- your partial quote indicates. Look at your question: you omitted
- the crucial words, "under such circumstances."
-
- Without those words, there is an entirely different meaning.
-
-
- >I was merely pointing out the mismeasure of sexism. Seventy
- >percent male is considered an obvious, unambiguous sign of sexist hiring
- >practices. But for some unfathomable reason (to me anyway) seventy percent
- >female is not. I am just wondering if anyone can tell me why this is so.
-
- I agree. I disagree with that kind of reasoning -- that 70% male
- should be an obvious, unambigous sign of sexist hiring practices under
- all circumstances. Such "prima facie" evidence seems to be applied
- strictly in favor of women and against men.
-
- Don
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