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From: [e-mail] (F. Karner)
Subject: Re: Sexual Discrimination
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:42:42 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Karl Denninger) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
> >
> >So, what I am asking, or suggesting is this:  Why don't we look at this
> >avenue of approach for correcting the injustices in the system?  Any
> >precedent establishing case could inspire reform throughout the
> >country, and, at the very least, it could garner much needed attention
> >on the plight of oppressed, divorcing or divorced fathers.
> >
> >Is it unreasonable to incorporate such a goal into the mission of
> >divorced fathers' rights groups?  If 52 class-action lawsuits  were
> >filed simultaneously in the states and territories, the courts and the
> >media would have to sit up and take notice.  And maybe, at last, the
> >charade would be exposed for what it is:  sexual discrimination.
> >
> >Comments, anyone?
>
> Yes.  This is the best idea I've heard in a long time.
>
> Men, EVERY ONE of you who is a NCP can participate in this one freely.  Why?
> Because you can claim with impunity that you are acting in the best interest
> of your child(ren) in filing and keeping up on this one.  There are a lot of
> you out there.
>
> There is strength in numbers behind a united goal.  However, one thing MUST
> BE MADE CLEAR for this strategy to work:
>
> NO ONE, I REPEAT - NO ONE -- CAN SETTLE THESE CASES.  THEY MUST GO TO TRIAL.
> You only establish law when you go to trial and WIN.  Settlements establish
> no precedent, make no law, and are short-lived victories.  There is but ONE
> way to make law in this case, and make a positive difference - settle for
> nothing less than 100% victory in open trial.
>
> If you get a few victories in a few states then women will be put on notice
> that we are not going to stop until we have equality in the bedroom.  Then,
> perhaps, the feminists will decide to join with us and <reform> the
> reproductive freedom issue entirely.  Perhaps, seeing the force which can be
> mustered, this can be turned into much more than just "fathers rights" -- it
> can become the "equal rights" reproductive proposals that I, and many other
> men, would love to see come to pass.
>
> I, even though I am not a father, am willing to put up $100 to the
> organization which spearheads these lawsuits across all 50 states.  If
> every NCP does this as well there will be millions of dollars available
> for these cases.  If we could get every MAN to put up $10.00 there would
> be nearly a billion dollars available for these cases.
>
> I like this idea.  Let's go for it.
>
> --
> Karl Denninger ([e-mail], <well-connected>!ddsw1!karl)
> Data Line: [[phone]]
>

I second this opinion!  Please count me in for a contribution and some
volunteer work, if it comes to fruition.

I applaud Karl for his initiative in proposing this course of action
and Aaron for coming up with the idea.  Let's go for it!
--

         DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this posting are mine
            solely and do not represent my employer in any way.
       F. A. Karner AIX Technical Support | [e-mail]