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- From: JBrandt@AAA.Uoregon.EDU (Jason)
- Newsgroups: alt.callahans
- Subject: Re: Cyberpunk (was Re: One quick question)
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 05:40:24 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan26.100849.13293@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, eesshlgb@gdr.bath.ac.uk
- (S H L G Bisson) wrote:
- > "To me the _Shadowrun_ sub-genre isn't even Science Fiction (the explicit
- > use of Science Fiction, rather than my usual Sf for Speculative fiction, is
- > deliberate). It's a Fantasy genre, that plays with some of the paradigms and
- > tropes of cyberpunk, whilst deliberately avoiding the themes - that science
- > and culture are Art.
-
- Jason ponders that. "Well, I'd have to agree, to a point. Shadowrun, the
- Fantasy RPG, is just that. But there have also been some very good novels
- based on the genre, which include enough of what I would have to call
- cyberpunk and SF to qualify as crossover material, at the very least. Read
- "2XS". It is heavy on the SF, and rather light on the fantasy, but it is
- clearly in the Shadowrun side of Cyberpunk."
-
- > "Larry McCaffery's _Storming The Reality Studio_, whilst flawed in many ways,
- > goes a long way to show this aspect of cyberpunk, an experimental, exploring
- > post-modern art-form, attemting to break down the barriers between high and
- > low art.
-
- "Hmmmm. That's on my list of stuff to locate and read. Right now, I'm
- working on 'Cyberspace: First steps' and 'the Silicon Mirage', both of
- which are on the hard science aspects of virtual reality and cyberspace,
- respectively."
-
- > "Consider _Neuromancer_, with its Chandleresque prose, and its incredible
- > imagery, that wouldn't have been out of place in e.e. cummings or Thomas'
- > poetry.
-
- "I finished the Neuromancer trilogy a while ago. It was quite good, but I
- don't know I'd praise it as highly as you have. I've read cyberpunk by some
- newer authors that I thought was better written, such as Mel Odom's 'Lethal
- Interface'.
-
- > "But, now, the Movement is over. Gibson, Sterling et al have moved on. There
- > is no more Cheap Truth, no manifesto. And this *is* right. This *is* good.
- >
- > "Sf must evolve, grow. And Cyberpunk was part of the growth, but it's over now.
-
- "Now there, my friend, I -MUST- disagree with you. I've seen a lot of good
- cyberpunk material written recently, commerciallly and in other forums,
- such as on alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo . I write some of it myself, and so does
- Liralen Li. To say that one author, who admittendly did a lot that shaped
- the field, has moved on, and therefore the entire genre is dead, seems a
- bit absurd to me. By that logic, Science Fiction itself is dead. How many
- top SF writers have passed into the great beyond? To the best of my
- knowledge, Gibson only wrote three Cyberpunk novels, four if you count 'the
- Difference Engine', which ia only marginally CP. Other writers of good CP
- stories have been just as prolific, if not more so."
-
- > "But, it is part of the history of Sf, and in the best post-modern tradition,
- > it is being recycled and reused, seasoning the works of new writers with new
- > things to say, people like Charlie Stross and Simon Ings, like Greg Egan and
- > Paul McAuley.
-
- "And there is also -new- material being written. So long as new authors
- take up the torch, a genre isn't dead."
-
- > "Cyberpunk is dead... long live Cyberpunk!"
- >
- > With that final toast, the Acme Railgun Toaster fires once more, and at 6kps
- > a glass vapourises in the back of the fireplace. Ignatz blows the smoke from
- > tha barrel, and looks down at a small pile of soap boxes.
- >
- > "Uh oh. How do I get down...."
-
- Jason looks over from his own pile. "How about if we help each other down,
- my friend?"
-