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- Subject: Re: A point well missed ...
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.220241.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
- From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu
- Date: 28 Jan 93 22:02:41 EST
- References: <1993Jan27.195335.17753@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com> <C1JuM7.6zB@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>
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- In article <C1JuM7.6zB@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
- >
- > Yes, you get a prize; you were both civl and rational - the only
- > response that was in fact.
-
- Not true. I saw other civil, rational posts that you either ignored
- or acted insulted at.
-
- > It seems odd that I never stated my
- > position on the central question, do I believe in the existence of
- > God, yet was attacked by all and sundry, what does it mean? If
- > atheists are veritable paragons of reason, the intellectual elite, the
- > most rational of people, why do they get so hot when someone challenges their
- > faith?
-
- (snort)
-
- > Your skeptical world-view is not really yours. To make the
- > statement suggests (as Madalyn Murrey O'Hair likes to do about
- > herself) that you are somehow exempt from the influences and pressures the
- > rest of us feel, that while we become ensnsared in folly, you managed
- > to transcend beyond.
-
- I beg your pardon? I saw nothing in Jim's statement that implied
- this, unless you seem to think that not having God in your life makes
- you a superior creature. Jim certainly did not say this. Do you care
- to explain just what you meant?
-
- > Granted this is sarcastic, but this kind of
- > attitude is so common, I have trouble remaining genteel. My point is
- > that we are all born into the same world with pretty much the same set
- > of attributes; it seems ridiculous to pretend that some "special"
- > people have an advantage, which in the case of the atheists who have
- > responded to this posting, is exactly what is being implied.
-
- Just what have you been reading? I have never seen anyone on a.a
- say that they had a "special advantage."
-
- > All of us are exposed to various world-views, usually before we've
- > developed the means to determine the most likely or valid. In my
- > experience, skepticism follows belief else of what are you skeptical? At
- > some time you believed in Santa Claus or something similar, you
- > probably believed in fairness and justice, you may have even believed
- > in God. You had, at that time, a different more credulous world-view.
-
- Right. And now I don't. BTW, unlike most of the people on a.a I have
- *never* believed in God.
-
- > What I'm curious to know, is what made the difference, why did you
- > change, and why atheism? Claiming to be a skeptical person begs the
- > question it seems. The change from a child for whom God was at least
- > possible, to a cynical adult for whom there is nothing greater than
- > Man is radical at least.
-
- I don't see it as much of a change at all. Going from someone who
- believed some things unquestionably to one who questioned before
- believing is not nearly as radical a change as you would like to think.
-
- Overall I found your post to be highly obnoxious and insulting, more
- so than most of the replies to you and certainly more than Jim's post.
- Someone who whines constantly about hyperbole, sarcasm, and ridicule
- and then goes on with misrepresentation, sideswiping insults, and
- strawmen ought to take a look in the mirror.
-
- Karl
-
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