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- From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: Where does Adam and Eve Fit In? Attn: Jeff West
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.221418.21886@digi.lonestar.org>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 22:14:18 GMT
- References: <1993Jan23.005958.21563@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> <1993Jan25.113326.6860@walter.cray.com>
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- In article <1993Jan25.113326.6860@walter.cray.com> jwest@wisc (Jeff West) writes:
- >brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
- >: Jeff West writes:
- >:
- >: > Ok, as I understand it you take the creation of Adam and Eve as
- >: > described in Genesis literally, correct? Meaning that we all have
- >: > decended from 2 people.
- >:
- >: Before a number of people start taking your statement out of
- >: context and begin flaming me, let me restate what I mean by
- >: "literally". :-)
- >:
- >: What I mean by literally, is that I try to interpret the passages
- >: in the Bible based on their content and the passages' literary form.
- >:
- >: Brian Ceccarelli
- >
- >Apparently Brian, you and I look at the word literal in two very
- >different ways.
- >
- >Later in your post you say that A&E were possibly created while
- >Stone Age man exhisted. Do you not believe that we are decended
- >from these people? It's been shown for instance that the Stone
- >Age people of Europe are the forfathers of today's Europeans.
- >
- >Are there two lines of people out there. Ones who evolved and
- >the ones who were "created?"
- >
- >Jeff West
- >
- >---------------------------------------------------------------------
- >It's not denial. I'm just very selective about the reality I accept.
- >
- > - Calvin & Hobbs
-
- I don't think that any of the examples of fossil man have been identified
- as true ancestors of modern man. At least there is not scientific con-
- sensus (excluding creation scientists, of course, who naturally don't
- agree). All the actual examples found so far are arguably dead ends
- that for one morphological reason or another could not have developed
- into homo sapiens.
-
- Some of the more primitive Stone Age men are now thought to have been
- contemporary with homo sapiens. There is an interesting article in
- the latest issue of Smithsonian that suggests that Neanderthal, definitely
- not an ancestor of homo sapiens, may have not only been contemporary
- but also somewhat cultured, at least much more so than previously thought.
-
- I don't follow this actively, but over the years I have noticed that from
- time to time another fossil man is found and held up hopefully as a real
- example of a true ancestor of modern man. It invariably is reported as
- such in the popular media, but after a while it fades away. And if you
- keep an eye out on the scientific literature, you find that there are
- problems with it, though there are always a number of scientists at any
- given time who defend it. But even Leaky's what's-her-name is disputed.
- The first undisputed skeleton of a pre-human ancestor of modern man
- (which used to be called "the missing link") has yet to be found.
- Then, of course, there is the problem of _its_ pre-pre-human ancestry.
-
- One possibility that you rarely hear about is that the ancestry is
- the other way around. As I understand it, morphologically, the known
- Stone Age men are evolutionary dead ends. They could not have evolved
- into man. However, they could have evolved _from_ man. I.e., a
- deteriorating offshoot. The problem is, of course, that there are no
- fossil remains of homo sapiens going that far back. But now, in the
- case of Neanderthal there may be. We should also remember that the
- fossil record is very sparse indeed, and that of the vast majority of
- human and animal remains not a trace remains.
-
- None of this proves that evolution is false, but only that the fossil
- record as we know it is still wanting. What will turn up tomorrow?
- Who knows?
-
- In my mind, if Adam and Eve existed they were far far earlier than the
- fossil men (homo sapiens and not) of whom they were the ancestors, and
- there will be no fossil record of them at all. But that is another tale.
-
- Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
-