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- From: L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: Why God is Hiding
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.134122.24017@bradford.ac.uk>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 13:41:22 GMT
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- Seth James Killian (skillian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:
- >
- > With the assignment of free will, the God has also
- > assigned humankind the capacity for reason. Time passes, and the
- > creator ceases frequent and obvious interaction with his creations.
- > Those who had direct interaction with the creator die, and can leave
- > only a book as a legacy to future generations. The descendants of
- > the book writers begin to doubt the veracity of their forefathers
- > claims, and begin to search for verification of the creator under an
- > empirical system of rational enquiry. Finding none (or at least
- > insufficiently convincing quantities), the descendants cease to
- > believe in any creator, thinking the very idea just another foolish
- > belief of ignorant ancients.
-
- If God gives the capacity for reason then he should expect this. He
- would probably think it very odd if it didn't happen! He gives people
- the ability to question and then expects them not to use it - is that
- likely??
-
- > So there exists no wholly reasonable proof of God's existence. Are
- > the descendants then right in assuming
- > there to be no God? Not necessarily so.
-
- Of course they are! According the events you have outlined belief can
- only be based on rumour. That is likely to attract the weak and the
- foolish only. The reasoning capacity God has given, will inevitably
- mean many will question his existence. If they didn't they would not
- be using their god-given reasoning ability to its full. Does God only
- want the weak and foolish to believe and to discriminate against those
- who use their rationality??
-
- > To accord with the
- > preservation of free will, any God could not allow his own existence
- > to be provable with formal logic. If he were so provable, humankind
- > would not have any choice (the critical reason for our creation) but
- > to believe in God, thus undermining the nature of our freedom to choose.
- > Of course this does not lead to the necessary assertion that any God
- > _does_ exist, it only shows that if he were to exist, we, as free
- > humans, have no recourse but faith alone for any belief we might have.
-
- As far as I can see it would be a pretty unreasonable god who refused to
- demonstrate his existence but still continued to expect his subjects
- to believe in him on the basis of hearsay and the content of an old
- book.
-
- In fact I would go further, assuming any god is rational, then
- it could be argued that the last people God would want to share
- eternity with are the ones who believe, what is, when compared to the
- evidence, incredible supersticion.
-
- Of course, if God is a bastard then it will be another story!
-
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- Leonard e-mail: L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk
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- Leonard e-mail: L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk
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