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- From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Bill Conner)
- Subject: Deliberate Ignorance
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:29:02 GMT
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- Religion is simply the answer to question we don't understand. If
- we reply correctly, we'd never know. Why would someone attempt to call
- himself reasonable whiie simultaneously proclaiming any certain
- evidence of for or against the existence of God; one of the claims is
- necessarily false. A theist (let's say a Christian) believes himself
- to be possession of the "Truth", which to him means the reality of
- God, the atheist (or agnostic without the courage of his convictions)
- will claim there is no God. There is no way to settle this question.
- Any resort to "reason" assumes first that your reasoning is going to
- be acceptable to the other person, which means either that your logic
- is perfect or that you're very persuasive, but your argument must also
- use the terms that the other person can accept.
- The atheist will say, "You can't prove a negative", yet act and
- debate -as if- the negative, "God does not exist" had been proven. The
- Christian will say that God does exist and yet act as if He doesn't.
- In each case, there are inherent contradictions; both positions are
- compromised.
- The tactic of quoting the Bible out of context is a favorite
- fallacy of both the atheist and the believer, and serves only to make
- the whole debate ridiculous. The atheist invents all manner of wildly
- inaccurate appeals to history to "prove" that the God of the
- Christians cannot possibly exist, or if He does, He's nothing like the
- God the Christians worship. This is pure hyperbole and contributes
- nothing. The Christian for his part, makes appeals to all manner of
- supernatural enities whose existence cannot be proved by any means an
- atheist can accept.
- Each is speaking a different language. The atheist demands evidence
- and yet rejects everything offered as evidence, a priori; there is
- just no -admissible- evidence. The Christian claims that God can only
- be known internally, through faith, a concept no atheist can
- comprehend. An atheist and a Christian have no common ground for
- debate, anything either says will sound ludicrous to the other.
- What is especially absurd about all this is that each attacks the
- other without ceasing, what after all is the purpose of this
- news-group? That reason is not important to either side is obvious
- from the simple fact that the debate continues. You think you've
- really got it all together, you use multi-syllable words, quote
- obscure sources, try so hard to appear logical, yet the very exitence
- of this group defeats everything you hope to accomkplish.
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- Bill
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