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- From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: Strong atheism ought to explain theism (Was: Re: Atheism is dogmatic.
- Message-ID: <11194@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>
- Date: 22 Jan 93 20:36:08 GMT
- References: <1jjs2kINN4n3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1993Jan22.091314.23002@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
- Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
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- In article <1993Jan22.091314.23002@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
- >
- >Now, many religious people, notably mystics, claim to have "experienced"
- >God. It is certainly possible that their experience of God was just as
- >real as our present experience of our respective computer terminals.
- >This then puts a belief in God for this particular person on a par with
- >the vast majority of people's belief in the real existence of the
- >material world.
- >
-
- I personally know of no one who makes the claim that their
- experience of god is on the same sensual level as their day to day
- perception of the world around them (well, maybe one, Jarek
- Dabrowski, but that's another topic). Most claims of believer-god
- interaction are extraordinarily vague or mystical, with phrases
- like "felt lead to", "had a vision", "had a feeling", etc.
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- It's this distinction that allows me to summarily reject these
- claims as unconvincing evidence of god's existence. To elevate
- these experiences to the same level as normal perception would
- require me to believe that drunks, addicts, and schizophrenics all
- have useful information about parts of the universe that are
- apparently unopened to me. Not that it's impossible, just not
- very likely.
-
- >Thus, a true "experience" of God may be a very rational reason for that
- >particular person to believe in God. Definitely as rational as the reason
- >the vast majority of people have for believing in the existence of the
- >material world.
-
- If any of the theists in this group have had encounters of this
- kind with their god, please post them. I for one have never heard
- of such a thing.
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- Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
-
- "Look, I tried the cat experiment. On the third trial, the cat was
- dead. On each of the subsequent 413 trials, it remained dead. Am I
- doing something wrong?"
- James Nicoll
-
- Q. How many Heisenbergs does it take to screw in a light bulb?
- A. If you know the number, you don't know where the light bulb is!
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