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- From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: Strong atheism ought to explain theism (Was: Re: Atheism is dogmatic.
- Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:47:47 GMT
- Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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- Reply-To: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (White Rook)
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- In a previous article, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) says:
-
- >In <1jjs2kINN4n3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips) writes:
- >
- >
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- >>>What sorts of arguments can we present to account for these mistaken beliefs?
- >>>One of my favorites is that the experiences of people claiming to be "touched
- >>>by God" are nearly identical to the experiences of persons with temporal lobe
- >>>seizures. In other words, I can tell someone who says, "I know God exists
- >>>because I felt his presence," that what he has described sounds a lot like
- >>>an epileptic seizure.
- >>>
- >[...]
- >
- >> To me the "I *FEEL* god's presence & it's *WARM* & *FUZZY* just does
- >>NOt cut it, perception alone does not count.
- >
- >Be careful when you say this. Most likely you base your general belief
- >that the material world exists (I assume you hold this view, like the
- >vast majority of people do) on your sense perceptions.
- >
-
- If someone is convinced that the material world is not real and
- that all we see, hear, taste and touch then I think they could prove this by
- letting me hit their hand with a hammer, since the hammer and the hand are
- both not real their should be no problem with this. But yet none have taken
- up this chance to prove the material world false.
-
- >Now, many religious people, notably mystics, claim to have "experienced"
- >God. It is certainly possible that their experience of God was just as
- >real as our present experience of our respective computer terminals.
- >This then puts a belief in God for this particular person on a par with
- >the vast majority of people's belief in the real existence of the
- >material world.
-
- Than again someone into Peyote can have the same thing.
-
- >
- >Thus, a true "experience" of God may be a very rational reason for that
- >particular person to believe in God. Definitely as rational as the reason
- >the vast majority of people have for believing in the existence of the
- >material world.
-
- I think not, *WARM* and *FUZZY* is not as concrete as concrete =-)
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- >
- > Fred Rice
- > darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
- >
- --
- A. TRENT PHILLIPS |" A mirror is a negative space with a frame and a place for
- also known as | your face, it reveals what the rest of us see. It conceals
- WHITE ROOK | what you'd like you to be."--Blue Oyster Cult
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