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- From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
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- Subject: Re: "EVIDENCES OF THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (THE GOD)", the post
- Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:53:10 GMT
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- In a previous article, bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips) says:
-
- >
- >POSTER'S NOTE: I am posting this on alt.atheism. The multiple newsgroups
- >is for getting the responces to all of the original places this was posted.
- >
- > --White Rook
- >
- >
- >
- >>Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.all-worlds
- >From: irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan)
- >Subject: EVIDENCES OF THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (THE GOD)
- >Date: Wed Jan 20 11:40:03 1993
- >
- >A HEAVY BLOW ON THE HEAD OF ATHEISTS,
- >NATURALISTS AND MATERIALISTS
- >
- >A TRANSLATION from the COLLECTION OF RISALE-I NUR
- >"RISALAT-UT TABI'AT" (A TREATISE ON NATURE),
- >AUTHORIZED by Bediuzzaman Said Nursi.
- >
- >NARRATOR: IRFAN ALAN
- >
- >A DROPLET FROM THE VAST OCEAN OF MIRACULOUS QUR'AN
- >----------------------------------------------------
- > PART 1
- >
- >AUZUBILLAHIMINASSAYTANIRRACIYM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIYM
- >(I seek refuge to Allah from the Satan rejected, stoned.
- > In the name of ALLAH, the Merciful, the Compassionate)
- >
- >
- >A REMINDER:
- >-----------
- >
- >THIS TREATISE explains through Nine Impossibilities,
- >which themselves comprise at least ninety impossibilities,
- >just how unreasonable, crude and superstitious is the
- >reality of the way taken by those naturalists who are
- >atheists. Since these impossibilities have been explained
-
- What ?
-
- >in part in other sections of the Risale-i Nur, and to cut
- >short the discussion here, some steps in the arguments have
- >been skipped. It suddenly comes to mind, then, how is it
- >that those famous and supposedly brilliant philosophers
- >accepted such a blantantly obvious superstition, and
- >continue to pursue that way? Well, the fact is that they
- >could not see its reality, and I am ready to explain in
- >detail and prove through clear and decisive arguments to
- >whoever doubts it that these crude, repugnant and
- >unreasonable impossibilities are the necessary and
- >unavoidable results of their way; in fact, the very gist
- >of their creed.(1)
- >
- >
- >(1) What occasioned the writing of this treatise were the
- >attacks being made on the Qur'an by those who called
- >everything that their corrupted minds could not reach a
- >superstition who were using nature to justify unbelief,
- >and wery vilifying the truths of belief in a most aggressive
- >and ugly fashion. Those attacks stirred up in my heart
- >an intense anger which resulted in those perverted
- >falsifiers of the truth receiving vehement and harsh
- >slaps. Otherwise, the way generally followed by the
- >Risale-i Nur is a mild, polite and pursuasive one.
- >
-
- A lot of words but you are not saying much, you just seem to be
- taking things personally.
-
- > ***********
- >
- >IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MERCIFUL, THE COMPASIONATE.
- >
- >Their prophets said, "Is there any doubt about
- >Allah, Creator of the heavens and the earth? (2)
- >
- >(2) Qur'an 14:10
- >
- > BY DECLARING through the use of a rhetorical
- >question that there cannot and should not be any
- >doubt about Allah SWA Almighty, this verse clearly
- >demonstrates the divine existence and unity. But before
- >explaining the meaning of this, I shall mention a further
- >point.
- > When I went to Ankara in 1911, the morale of the
- >people of belief was extremely high as a result of the
- >victory of the army of Islam over the Greeks. But I
- >saw that an abominable current of atheism was
- >treacherously trying to subvert, poison and destroy
- >their minds.
-
- ***SARCASM MODE ON
-
- Oh gee. Imperialist power cutting up the middle east like a
- pie has NOTHING to do with the problems of the middle east.
-
- ***SARCASM MODE OFF
-
- >"Oh Allah!", I said, "this monster is going to
- >harm the fundamentals of belief." At that point
- >the above-mentioned verse makes self evidently
- >plain Allah's existence and unity, I sought
- >assistance from it and wrote a treatise in Arabic
-
-
- >
- >PART ONE: Oh Man! You should be aware that there
- >are certain phrases which are commonly used and
- >imply unbelief. The believers also use them, but
- >without realising their implications. We shall
- >explain three of the most important of them.
- >
- >THE FIRST: "Causes crate this."
- >THE SECOND: "It forms itself; (it comes into
- >existence and later ceases to exist.)"
- >THE THIRD: "It is natural: nature necessitates
- >and creates it."
- >
- >Indeed, since beings exists and cannat be denied,
- >and since each being comes nto existence in a wise
- >and artistic fashion, and since each is not beyond
- >time but is being continuously renewed, then,
-
- This seems to be just a wordy bit of subjectivist drek.
-
- >Oh falsifier of the truth, you are bound to say
- >either that the causes of the universe create
- >beings, for example, this animal; that is to say,
- >it comes into existence through the coming together
- >of causes, or that it forms itself, or that its
- >coming into existence is a requirement and necessary
- >effect of nature, or that it is created through
- >the Power of One All-Powerful and All-Glorious.
- >Since reason can find no way apart from these four,
- >if the first three are definitely proved to be
- >impossible, invalid, and absurd, the way of Allah's
- >Unity, which is the fourth way , will, necessarily
- >and self evidently and without doubt or suspicion,
- >be proven true.
-
- No proof yet, but a LOT of PERSONALISTIC BULLSH-- !
-
- >
- > THE FIRST WAY: .....
- >------------------------------------------------------------------
- > TO be continued Allah Willing;
- > Narrator is Irfan Alan, Servant of Islam.
- >
-
- Nice words, some personalism and a few lame arguments, better luck
- next time.
- --
- A. TRENT PHILLIPS |" A mirror is a negative space with a frame and a place for
- also known as | your face, it reveals what the rest of us see. It conceals
- WHITE ROOK | what you'd like you to be."--Blue Oyster Cult
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