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- From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
- Subject: Re: Good vs Bad (arguements)
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- Organization: Rescorla for himself.
- References: <1jndjvINN9so@male.EBay.Sun.COM>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:21:41 GMT
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- Mr. Birge has once again posted my email to the net without my
- permission. Sir, you are engaged in a gross violation of nettiquette
- here. I replied to this article when you mailed it to me, and
- I will do so once again on the net. I will not, however, reply
- to you any further in email, since you cannot be trusted to abide
- by nettiquette.
- I am not ashamed of what I have written but I find your breach
- of trust appalling.
-
- In article <1jndjvINN9so@male.EBay.Sun.COM> birge@guerciotti.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
- >I don't seem to be making my point. Let me put it bluntly. I believe your
- >position to be fallacious.
- Yes, and I believe yours to be so. So what?
-
- >One of my posts gave examples of other fallacious
- >arguments and you called them logical (many fallacious arguments go to court).
- You're begging the question.
-
- >>........The argument, as far as I can tell, is essentially as I indicated,
- >>and leads to the absurdity I originally indicated.
- >>
- >>That is the interesting part of this discussion. Perhaps you will
- >>address that.
- >See I don't buy your basic premise that a sperm/egg are the same as a
- >zygote/embryo.
- I don't maintain that.
-
- >However I'm sure you realize the Catholic Church agrees
- >with that assertion.
- They do no such thing. Perhaps you should read up on their actual
- position before misrepresenting it--not that I agree with them,
- BTW.
-
-
- >You would agree that an individual is made up of X number (23? or
- >is that 23 pair equaling 46) of chromosomes containing the DNA that
- >make us distinct individuals. You may also agree that neither of the
- >gamete contain a complete set (or the catalyst) and therefore neither
- >contain the unique genetic characteristics that make a unique individual.
- >At the point of fertilization the pronucleus of the two gamete unite to
- >complete this set of instructions thereby creating a unique set of
- >instructions for the creation of a unique individual. Something like
- >that anyway.
- Right. So? When does it actually BECOME a unique individual if the
- fertilized egg only has the instructions for that creation?
- See, as far as I can tell, your original argument was based
- on depriving a potential individual of a chance at life, and
- two gametes are just as much a potential individual as a single
- fertilized egg is.
-
- >Now as the above suggests the difference between an individual gamete
- >and an embryo are vast. Thereby casting doubt on the basic logic of
- >your postulation that the logical extension of my premise leads to
- >an absurd conclusion.
- Not really. Only if you cast your argument in terms where this is
- relevant. I don't think you have. I also note that I have not postulated
- that the logical extension of your premise leads to an absurd
- conclusion. I have attempted to argue it. If you will recast
- your argument in symbolic logic, I will attempt to show it rigorously.
-
- >It follows that it is also ironic that an Atheist would not have a
- >less tolerant view due to the belief that our bodies are all we have
- >and therefore the destruction of the body or embryo is the end of an
- >individual that can never repeat itself.
- Which is it, an individual or instructions for the creation of one?
-
- -Ekr
-
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- Eric Rescorla, DoD#431 (Nighthawk S) rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu
- Former chemist now CM400 mechanic ekr@eitech.com(preferred)
- Don't believe anything you hear.
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