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- From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
- Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
- Subject: Re: Wisdom Galore!
- Message-ID: <63135@mimsy.umd.edu>
- Date: 3 Jan 93 12:43:20 GMT
- References: <1992Dec31.084202.19519@zooid.guild.org> <C059KD.1Mr@umassd.edu>
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- Stephen Grossman writes:
-
- >The game is up. Your Holy Wish is not a moral obligation for other people.
- >They have a right to their own lives and happiness despite your self-imposed
- >misery. I can walk past a begger or the starving in Somalia and be happy in
- >my own life, knowing that other' misery is not a moral mortgage on my life.
-
- Let us just say that this may show a deep lack of insight on your part. For
- one thing, you lack any sense of "there, but for the grace of God, go I".
- Perhaps you do not understand how much of your good fortune is simply that:
- fortune. Or perhaps you do not have sufficient experience of being a victim
- of a survivor.
-
- If consciousness is "primary", it is certainly so in the sense that
- thoughts, to be seen as such, have to be objects of awareness. Philosophy
- requires consciousness because on must be aware that one is thinking. How
- this figures in the larger scheme of things is a realm of great speculation,
- but in any case I don't see that the distinction you make applies. Moral
- principles in particular are indifferent to this distinction.
-
- I've forsaken talk of rights because, for the most part, in this country
- that have become no more than justifications for every sort of moral abuse.
- No principle is more sacred to the american intellectual, pseudo- or not,
- than the right to be an asshole. Life in a society places obligations of
- communal living upon us, and therefore it is nonsense of a sort to talk of
- having "the right to [one's] own life and happiness". Shortly I shall have
- a child, and shall, for some 18 years, have given up this "right". This is
- not to say that I am an advocate of some sort of communitarianism; the best
- path surely lies somewhere in the middle, where we are beholden to our
- obligations and at the same time are not intrusive.
-
- > Chuang Tzu is a fool. He does not know the causes of things.
-
- Chuang Tzu is a cagy old bird and runs deeper than you think. THere is a
- lot of plain common sense to be found in the Taoist writers.
- --
- C. Wingate + "The peace of God, it is no peace,
- + but strife closed in the sod.
- mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
- tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."
-