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- From: quilty@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Humberto Humbertoldi)
- Subject: Re: Arab preservation of "european" thought
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- Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
- References: <1992Dec9.215758.28173@panix.com> <Bz10nC.Du3@nic.umass.edu> <1980@spam.ua.oz>
- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:12:12 GMT
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- The below letter was initially emailed, but didn't make it to its
- destination after a couple tries. I'm pretty sure that Joseph Askew's
- address is bogus ("oz" isn't a valid domain, is it?). Anyway, I think
- the letter is of general interest either way.
-
- In article <1980@spamis.ua.oz> jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:
- >In article <Bz10nC.Du3@nic.umass.edu> quilty@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Humberto Humbertoldi) writes:
- .........Much Deletiae......
- >> None of this is to insult the intellectual
- >>tradition of Turkey, of course
-
- >What intellectual tradition? Can you name one Turkish intellectual who
- >has had any impact on European thinking? or Western civilisation? or
- >Arab civilisation? or anywhere outside Turkey?
-
- >Wrong again. The Renaissance started in Italy brought on by the large
- >number of Greek Scholars fleeing the brutal conquest, pillage and rape
- >of the Eastern Empire by the semi-savage Turks. This is a matter of
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- ....Abridged.....
- >The Arabs played little or no part in Western Civilisation. What part
- >they did play was mostly as intermediaries - bring paper to Europe from
- >China for instance. You can see this by listing the number of European
- >scholars who felt the need to learn Arabic. That's about all of them.
-
- I won't bother rehashing for you all the back and forths on this topic
- which my very casual comment on another thread spawned. I guess if
- you're really curious, I could find the saved versions of what I
- saved, and email you. I think the general opinion of those most
- knowledgeable on this question (which I don't claim is me), was that
- byzantium did not preserve many of the classical texts, nor the
- *classical* greek language... at least not significantly.
- What's much more alarming than any disagreement on the facts
- of the transmission of classical texts (about which I would willingly
- admit error, if evidence is presented), is the vehemence with which
- you denounce Arab scholarship (and Turkish as well, even though I did
- not discuss it). Your tone really borders on a racist eurocentrism.
- I'm sure you don't want to give this impression -- but I'm also sure
- that I'm not the only one who will get this impression.
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