home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Xref: sparky talk.philosophy.misc:3078 rec.arts.books:23113
- Path: sparky!uunet!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!vax5.cit.cornell.edu!lbn
- From: lbn@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (generic fellow)
- Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc,rec.arts.books
- Subject: Re: Morally good necessary possible sometimes possible reproductiveness
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.032800.16610@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 03:28:00 EST
- References: <1992Dec21.074709.26608@netcom.com> <1992Dec21.065346.18751@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Dec21.182718.17763@netcom.com> <1992Dec21.182537.18766@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Distribution: rec,talk
- Organization: Cornell University
- Lines: 70
-
- a duplicate of this article may appear or may have appeared from a
- different site. it's not my fault.
-
- MZ:
- >>>Shall we then dismiss popular consensus
- >>>as irrelevant, because irrational?
-
- RJ:
- >>Not at all. Popular consensus can change over time as a result of
- >>ongoing dialogue and access to accurate information. I am working
- >>to bring about just such a change.
-
- MZ:
- >So far, all you can oppose to my arguments, is your say-so, augmented
- >by transparent emotional propaganda.
-
- i take it that emotion, along with rationality, sexuality, and
- mortality, is also essential to human nature. your perfunctory
- snivelling at such matters thus constitutes a notably dismal neglect
- within your moral reasoning. while you might in due course conclude
- that this consideration is unbalanced by the others you insist
- upon, your failure to even attempt an accounting for the emotional
- essences of some millions of individuals immediately dulls the
- integrity of your argument. and the discreet suggestion that
- the existence of your erstwhile queer bestest buddy is at
- all indicative of the social concerns and emotional constitutions of
- homosexuals in general is not only irrational -- it is also absurdly
- crude.
-
- MZ:
- >Since none of these will affect
- >the moral basis of the issue, and since at this time I am not at all
- >interested in pursuing its political implications,
-
- how very convenient. by dismissing consideration of social or political
- implications, you thereby avoid accounting for possible moral ones,
- such as the undue restriction of personal liberties and the taking of
- happiness, freedom and life by philosophically empowered queer-bashers,
- that might follow from the successful wishing-on of your position.
-
- what, mikhail, is your position on the _material_, ie. actual,
- injunction against homosexual activities that your argument entails?
- in what way does a moral imperative grounded against a modal reality
- (the damping off of the interminable flow of babies) permit an
- actualization of said imperative which involves such tangible (though,
- i will assume here, 'modally' justifiable) infrigements upon competing
- moral imperatives as mentioned above?
-
- and why does modal logic not reject your assumption of an indefinite
- compulsion to procreate as an impenetrable moral axiom, on the grounds
- that indefinite procreation might eventually (as though it has not
- already!) result in reductions in the quality and quantity of human
- life due to, for instance, ecological disintegration, or economic
- rarefication and ensuing social tensions and famine? please expound
- not only upon the applicability of modal logic, but also upon the
- 'trashing of Consequentialism' that dismisses such considerations.
-
-
- MZ:
- >I am not interested
- >in continuing this exchange. However, I suggest that if you really
- >wish to effect a change in *moral* attitudes, you had better learn to
- >justify your preferences with a *moral* argument.
-
- i do hope your ability to parse my tedia has improved enough for you
- to observe that i have done so.
-
- regards,
- dave
-
-