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- Subject: Re: Morally good necessary possible sometimes possible reproductiveness
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.150214.18783@husc3.harvard.edu>
- From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
- Date: 22 Dec 92 15:02:13 EST
- References: <92354.140142HERSCH@auvm.american.edu> <dliebman.2vpk@terapin.com>
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- In article <dliebman.2vpk@terapin.com>
- dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman) writes:
-
- MZ:
- >>>>Shall we then dismiss popular consensus
- >>>>as irrelevant, because irrational?
-
- RJ:
- >>>Not at all. Popular consensus can change over time as a result of
- >>>ongoing dialogue and access to accurate information. I am working
- >>>to bring about just such a change.
-
- MZ:
- >>So far, all you can oppose to my arguments, is your say-so, augmented
- >>by transparent emotional propaganda.
-
- dl:
- >i take it that emotion, along with rationality, sexuality, and
- >mortality, is also essential to human nature. your perfunctory
- >sniffling at such issues thus constitutes an egregious neglect
- >of your moral reasoning. while you might in due course conclude
- >that this consideration is unbalanced by the others you insist
- >upon, your failure to even attempt an accounting for the emotional
- >essences of some millions of individuals immediately dulls the
- >integrity of your argument. and the discreet suggestion that
- >the former existence of your erstwhile queer bestest buddy is at
- >all indicative of the social concerns and emotional constitutions of
- >homosexuals in general is not only irrational -- it is also absurdly
- >crude.
-
- You are mistaking me for somebody who gives a fuck about your
- emotions. How quaint.
-
- MZ:
- >>Since none of these will affect
- >>the moral basis of the issue, and since at this time I am not at all
- >>interested in pursuing its political implications,
-
- dl:
- >how very convenient. by dismissing consideration of social or political
- >implications, you thereby avoid accounting for possible moral ones,
- >such as the undue restriction of personal liberties and the taking of
- >freedom and life by philosophically empowered queer-bashers, that
- >might follow from the successful wishing-on of your position.
-
- I have already spoken on this subject. "Philosophically empowered
- queer-bashers"? Get a grip on yourself, liebman.
-
- dl:
- >what, mikhail, is your position on the _material_, ie. actual,
- >injunction against homosexual activities that your argument entails?
-
- Negative, if by "actual" you mean political.
-
- dl:
- >in what way does a moral imperative grounded against a modal reality
- >(the damping off of the interminable flow of babies) permit an
- >actualization of said imperative which involves such tangible (though,
- >i will assume here, 'modally' justifiable) infrigements upon competing
- >moral imperatives as mentioned above?
-
- There is no competition between duty and convenience.
-
- dl:
- >and why does modal logic not reject your assumption of an indefinite
- >compulsion to procreate as an impenetrable moral axiom, on the grounds
- >that indefinite procreation might eventually (as though it has not
- >already!) result in reductions in the quality and quantity of human
- >life due to, for instance, ecological disintegration, or economic
- >rarefication and ensuing social tensions and famine? please expound
- >not only upon the applicability of modal logic, but also upon the
- >'trashing of Consequentialism' that dismisses such considerations.
-
- No. My interest in this discussion has waned. The questions you ask
- have been adequately addressed by my betters; if you truly wish to
- know the answers, look in the literature.
-
- MZ:
- >>I am not interested
- >>in continuing this exchange. However, I suggest that if you really
- >>wish to effect a change in *moral* attitudes, you had better learn to
- >>justify your preferences with a *moral* argument.
-
- dl:
- >i do hope your ability to parse my tedia has improved enough for you
- >to observe that i have done so.
-
- Too little, too late.
-
- >regards,
- >dave
-
- cordially,
- mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
- "Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
-
-