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- From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
- Subject: Re: Morally good necessary possible sometimes possible reproductiveness
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- References: <1992Dec18.111915.18664@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Dec18.185059.10564@netcom.com> <1992Dec20.011612.18713@husc3.harvard.edu>,<BzKAtD.4AC@unix.amherst.edu>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:06:47 GMT
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- In article <BzKAtD.4AC@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec20.011612.18713@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
- >
- >>Though I have no interest in tooting my own
- >>horn,
- >
- >Seemed to me like masturbation was right up your alley.
- >
- >>I shall note that in the past two years, not a single one among
- >>my opponents in this debate has managed to convict me of a logical
- >>inconsistency.
- >
- >Your arguments, as far as I can tell, are logically consistent but
- >rooted in quicksand. If you happen to consider that a virtue, good
- >luck in debate class.
- >
- >--
- >____ Tim Pierce /
- >\ / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / Rocks say goodbye.
- > \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
-
-
- Pierce is right. Consistency, outside of a metaphysical context, is
- illogical and merely a concern with the objectively false consistency theory of
- truth. Truth is correspondence with reality. Logic is objective, a product of
- the mind's volitional contact with reality. Logic is not subjective
- (inc/the arbitrary and conventional). Logic is based on the metaphysics of
- identity, i.e., existence is identity OR things are what they are. Logic is
- objectively defined as the art or method of (the) non-contradictory identifica-
- tion (of existence). Zeleny avoids contradictions, which is important, but he
- also avoids reality. Rationalism is false. His merely consistent logic reduces
- to symbol manipulation; this is not reasoning about reality via concepts.
- On the other hand, rationalism, with its logic, is superior to empiricism,
- with its lack of logic. Further, empiricism is superior to rationalism, with
- its lack of contact with reality. Rationalism is reason w/o reality and
- empiricism is reality w/o reason. The alternative is objectivity, the
- volitional and logical connection of mind to reality.
-
- Assuming I have correctly read the convoluted "arguments" about
- homosexuality correctly, Zeleny's opponents want to guide their actions with
- emotion and Zeleny correctly identifies the resulting contradictions. Human
- nature, with its biological heterosexuality, is missing as the needed context.
- This bio. hetero. is a fact to be considered. Whatever one decides is the rat-
- ional evaluation of BH, it must be, implicitly or explicitly, considered. This
- does mean that each sex act should be for reproduction. It means that sex
- exists only because there is such a fact as BH (with the potential for repro-
- duction. With this as our meta. context, understanding and evaluating homo.
- is now possible.
- Refusing to consistently focus one's mind on reality leads to...nasty
- things such as MTV, postmodern philosophy, Slick Willie, the Iraqi challenge to
- US military power, Somali gunmen shooting at US Marines, and well, most of
- history. "Eek, it's reality."
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- "In that world, you'll be able to rise in the morning with the spirit
- you had known in your childhood: that spirit of eagerness, adventure and cer-
- tainty which comes from dealing with a rational universe."
- AYN RAND
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- Stephen Grossman <PMSC13SG@UMASS.EDU>
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