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- From: salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Profound disappointment
- Date: 30 Dec 1992 23:09:17 GMT
- Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
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- In article <C03632.IKA@cs.psu.edu> schwartz@roke.cs.psu.edu (Scott Schwartz) writes:
- > The sad thing to learn from this is that, for your average
- >creationist, science and velikovskiism probably don't look all that
- >different. Very likely creationists think that scientists are
- >unreasonable in the same way that scientists think velikovskiites are.
- >Ted is trying to illuminate that twisted point. Moreover, by
- >defending velikovsky Ted is able to mock science in a way that
- >creationists cannot. They are either required to pretend to
- >scientific validity, or compelled to reject science outright on behalf
- >of religion. Ted, on the other hand, could pretend to embrace science
- >while actually presenting a parody that is intended to damn it. To a
- >creationist this looks great. They say to themselves, "Look at all
- >the patent nonsense these scientists come up with. We've always known
- >it, but now everyone will realize it! And if they don't realize it,
- >we've taken a bite out of the evilutionist conspiracy".
-
- On the other hand it is fairly easy to criticize Velikovski for
- trying to do what every Biblical Literalist would love, to make sacred
- texts into history. He weaves this complex yarn to make symbols in
- ancient texts suggest some fantastic past, amd what a refuge that is
- from the miscontents of the here and now. The fallacy is the same one
- we've heard before, the physical Universe is too weak to stand before
- the will of a supernatural force which degraded some ancient paradise
- into the present. And the message of that is that our current state,
- presumably of sin and suffering, is due to some will beyond us who
- is very concerned with telling us how puny we are.
-
- It is alot harder for the champions of such tales that we
- are stuck in this boring existance, which after a good hard look
- isn't so boring afterall, but that whatever mess we make for ourselves
- is often due to our own folly. There is no one else to blame, and that
- we may be going it alone to give our lives meaning, although we may not
- be so unique as to be alone in this Universe.
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- Bruce Salem
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