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- From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
- Date: 22 Dec 1992 00:18 MST
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- In article <102878@netnews.upenn.edu>, rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe) writes...
- >In article <21DEC199211270751@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>
- > lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
- >
- >> I can, and do, agree with everything [Eric Sotnak
- >> (esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu) said in article
- >> <1992Dec20.223129.25238@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>] without agreeing
- >> that the anthropic principle explains the existence of life.
- >
- >Would you agree, however, that the (im)probability arguments about why
- >things are such that "life" could form are uninformative? It seems
-
- Well, the bad ones are uninformative. There are good ones, though.
- (Again, let me refer to Robert Shapiro's _Origins_ book, in which
- he compares several different theories of the origin of life and
- assesses their relative (im)probabilities.)
-
- >that that was the gist of the initial post to which you objected. I
- >believe it was Mark Isaak who wrote what you called "a bad argument".
- >Mark did not claim that any anthropic principle "explained life", only
- >that:
- >
- >}>}>>I, too, once marveled at the unlikelihood of everything in the
- >}>}>>universe coming together in such a way to create me. Such an occurrance
- >}>}>>seemed wildly improbable. Then I realized that, had all circumstances
- >}>}>>not been as they were, I wouldn't be around to marvel, so questions of
- >}>}>>probability are meaningless. The probability of my existence, given that
- >}>}>>I exist, is exactly one, no matter what my theological assumption
- >
- >If you agree with Eric, and your objection is merely that Mark hasn't
- >explained the existence of life, then I think you were a bit too
- >hasty. Mark didn't claim to explain the existance of life; he only
- >claimed that Lionel's statements about its probability of occurrence
- >were somewhat meaningless.
-
- I think there *are* meaningful probabilities to be discussed regarding
- the origin of life.
-
- Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
- Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
- University of Arizona
- Tucson, AZ 85721
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