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- From: news@fedfil.UUCP (news)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Uniformity: miniscule cause and monstrous effect
- Message-ID: <179@fedfil.UUCP>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 05:47:57 GMT
- References: <173@fedfil.UUCP^<724484088@sheol.UUCP> <178@fedfil.UUCP> <724828585@sheol.UUCP>
- Organization: HTE
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- In article <724828585@sheol.UUCP>, throopw@sheol.UUCP (Wayne Throop) writes:
- ^:From: news@fedfil.UUCP (news)
- ^:Message-ID: <178@fedfil.UUCP>
- ^:Wayne Throop provides viewers with more than sufficient evidence for regarding
- ^:him as an idiot. There is the little matter of supposing a sauropod dinosaur
- ^:the same size as Bill Kazmaier to be magically capable of lifting more than
- ^:Kazmaier, the most powerful creature ever created by modern science at his
- ^:size of 340 lbs.
-
- ^Lucky for me, I never claimed the effect was magical. That's all in
- ^Ted's fevered imagination. No, the effect is totally due to physics,
- ^the calculations for which I've laid out and upon which Ted has never
- ^given any relevant comment.
-
-
- I've given more than relevent comment to this bullshit... I've demolished it.
-
- Most of body weight on Kazmaier is muscle; precious little on a sauropod is.
- The sauropod's weight was mostly the huge digestive system needed to handle
- massive quantities of leaves (low-value) as food. Further wasted weight
- (as far as lifting goes) were the long neck and tail. Visually, the ratio of
- percentage weight devoted to lifting muscle would appear to be something like
- ten to one or more between Kazmaier and the saur.
-
- Structurally, any juxtaposed photo will show Kaz to have thicker limbs than
- the saur. Any difference in leverage would favor him.
-
- There is the further consideration that the 1000 lb lift I've been using as an
- example is a five-second deal for Kaz. The brontosaur walked around with a
- 70,000 lb load all day long. For the ultrasaur, the load was more like
- 360,000 lbs, and that's a documented fact.
-
- I have shown that it is common knowledge amongst people who study that sort
- of thing that there is little if any difference between muscle tissue from
- any two vertibrates, and that it all looks nearly alike under microscopes.
- No possible claim can be made that sauropods' muscle was somehow "better"
- than ours.
-
- I have shown that if scaled to 70,000 lbs, Kazmaier, the most powerful
- 350 lb creature which modern exercise regimens and science has yet been
- able to produce, could lift no more, in any way shape, or manner, than
- around 47,000 lbs. He'd be pinned to the ground by our gravity.
-
- This follows by regarding the max squat or dead lift (or reasonably near max)
- as being 1000 lbs (the bar) + 350 (Kaz), and then using the normal scaling
- factor for all lifting events, the two-thirds power of body-weight thus:
-
- 350 x
- --- = ---
- 1350^.67 70000^.67
-
- which is simple algebra.
-
- There is no 350 lb creature which eats leaves and low value food which comes
- remotely close to being as strong or having anything like the lifting abilities
- which Kaz has. Candidates would include hogs, and certain members of the
- goat and deer families, possibly. Put a 1000 lb weight on top of any such
- creature and watch what happens.
-
- Scaling Kaz to 70000 lbs is equivalent to the following thought-experiment:
-
- Imagine Kaz and a sauropod dinosaur of the same size at 350 lbs, which is sort
- of like imagining Kaz standing next to some sort of a pygmy elephant or
- baby elephant. You know the baby elephant won't survive having a 1000 lb
- bar placed on its shoulders. Assume then that both are teleported to a planet,
- the gravity of which would bring Kaz to 1350 earth lbs. Kaz would still
- be standing; the baby elephant wouldn't. Now imagine both being teleported to
- a second planet at which Kaz weighed 70,000 lbs. Even Kaz would be flattened
- here, and the baby elephant would be long-since flattened.
-
- The identical same thing would happen to a 70,000 lb brontosaur, were he to
- be so unfortunate as to be transported into our times, our solar-system
- arrangement, our perceived gravity.
-
- Anybody who doubts any of this should really get a picture of Kazmaier and
- a picture of a sauropod dinosaur, scale them to the same size on his/her
- Xerox machine, and juxtapose them. What Throop is claiming requires the
- saur to be the stronger of the two, by more than a two-to-one ratio, at
- the same size.
-
- I claim that is obviously and patently absurd, and I'm willing to rest my
- case this one. Anybody wishing to believe Throop on this may feel free.
-
-
- --
- Ted Holden
- HTE
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