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- From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Lionel Tun: evolutionary relic.
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- Date: 21 Dec 92 20:56:38 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec21.045654.38203@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jsg1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JONATHAN SCOTT GIBSON) writes:
- earth
- < large chunk of biblical quote delete to save net.bandwidth >eep;
- Then
- >
- > Quoted directly fom Genesis chapter 1 in the
- > New American Standard Bible.
-
- Erm. That's what most of us thought. But the creationists who want to
- force it to be taught as fact, not myth, never mention the bible. Remember
- how Jim Loucks kept persisting that ICR creationism was scientific not
- biblical, and how he went through hoops trying to justify his view of
- creation without invoking the bible, before he gave up.
-
-
- > That is the theory of Creation to whoever asked.
-
- And how do you get somebody who is
-
- - of another religion, or
- - of the same religion, but who is not a biblical literalist, or
- - is an atheist,
-
- to accept the quoted story as fact, in spite of all the evidence to the
- contrary? Most creationists include Noah's flood, which I'm glad you left
- out because all the evidence is contrary to the biblical story.
-
- > Someone had
- > mentioned something about the fact that the world was created so
- > perfectly gave them the creeps or made them feel uncomfortable. The
- > thing is, it was not created perfectly; God did not make man as a
- > robot, He gave him freewill, to choose what to do. That was where the
- > fall of man comes in and that is where the idea of an imperfect world
- > comes in. The idea of Christianity has a lot of commitment in it;
- > commitment to a God that you can't see, in a book that is old but
- > inspired by this God, and commitment of one's life to this whole
- > belief. In this day and age, there is not much commitment. There
- > arso many families that are torn apart by divorce and who gets married
- > anymore, why not just have children? Former vice-president Quayle was
- > right in what he said about the family values of this country, they
- > have gone to pot. The reason it is so hard for everyone to believe in
- > Christianity is because it takes commitment to someone besides
- > themself, and that takes alot, for people to give up their selfish
- > ambitions.
- >
-
- Ermmmm..... Christianity and evolution are not mutually exclusive, at least
- to most christians who do not interpret the bible literally. But then most
- of them don't. So your sermon isn't really necessary.
-
- But you didn't think about your argument, did you? The real reason
- everybody who isn't a christian find it so hard to believe in christianity
- could be:
-
- - they already believe in another religion. Imagine (say) a moslem
- telling you the "real" reason you aren't a moslem.
-
- - any religion at all doesn't make sense to them (the atheists)
-
- Anyway, I am not a christian, and I do have commitments to a lot of other
- people, my family, my colleagues, and a very special lady 8,000 miles away
- in another continent.
-
- By the way, Dan Quayle is still Vice-President of the United States of
- America until January 1993.
-
- >
- >--
- > Jonathan Scott Gibson
- > JSG1@LEHIGH.EDU
- > BOX 479 X0264
-
- Chris Lee
-