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- From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
- Subject: Re: Impact is DEAD [was: Electric Vehicles]
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- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:13:56 GMT
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- wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich) writes:
-
- >>There are people that believe in EVs no matter what the price. They are
- >>the true "eco-freaks," blinded by some passionate fixation to save the
- >>planet at any cost. I'm sorry for being so inflammatory, but my comments
- >>weren't necessarily aimed at this audience.
-
- >So, what you're saying is we should only "save the planet" if it is
- >convienient for us and if it doesn't cost us anything?
-
- Did I say that? Did I say that? Did I say that? Are you looking at me?
-
- > Yeah, that'll
- >work. I'm sure we can clean up our water supplies and clear our
- >particulate infested air while still allowing everyone to drive their
- >very own fossil-fueled machine 70mph in air-conditioned comfort. We
- >don't need reduce our use of mass-produced power, even if most of us
- >*could* install a solar system for less than $5000 that would meet our
- >needs, since that would not be convienient, and would cause me to
- >change my carefully constructed habits. Nope, much better to stick
- >with what you know, stay in that routine, after all, the government
- >won't let it get *much* worse.
-
- You see, to me, if you're going to save the planet, you're going to have
- to do it one small step at a time. A journey of a thousand steps begins
- with just one. EVs are a nice idea, but a strong majority of the people
- are not yet willing to give up what they have for something that would
- essentially lower their standard of living. Plus, these vehicles don't
- necessarily have a margin of benefit over their internal combustion
- engine counterparts; if they do, it is highly debatable.
- It's fairly obvious that the technology is lacking, the market is lacking,
- the efficiency is lacking, and the benefit is lacking. These issues are
- hardly ever addressed by the environmental elite. They focus like a
- laser beam (shudder) on something, like spotted owls and EVs, and refuse
- to listen to talk about the overall efficiency, the overall practicality,
- the overall benefits and pitfalls.
-
- Electric vehicles don't have the range and performance that a majority of
- the buyers want. They don't compete as well with internal combustion engines
- when it comes to overall efficiency as some people think. They don't
- save our planet from much, if any, additional pollution; in fact, some think
- they could aggravate the situation. They don't provide comparable comfort
- and safety. They don't solve the problem.
-
- Maybe in a few days, months, years, or decades, that'll all change.
-
- >I was just floored at the implication behind this statement. Only
- >'freaks' feel passionately about wanting to save the planet? And I
- >suppose "normal people" will "do what they can", saying things like:
- >
- >"I don't have to go extremely out of my way or sacrifice some luxury.
- >They don't cost me anything; in fact, usually I save money."
-
- You edit quite well. I didn't say "only 'freaks' feel passionately about
- wanting to save the planet." Are you the perfect example of someone who
- blindly sees only what he wants to see? Blindly follows his feelings,
- however misguided? Blindly reads what he wants to? Do you not just have
- a soapbox...do you have a mission? I doubt it. Just read it again.
-
- I don't feel especially proud when I recycle an aluminum can. I know
- that it'll save a lot of time, money, and energy because it's ore won't
- have to extracted from bauxite. It won't go to a landfill where it will
- sit for centuries. It won't cost me a red cent to save it and put it into
- a separate bin. I think it's an idea that works.
-
- Yes, I am a normal person. Yes, I do what I can. Yes, I do what makes
- sense to me. Yes, I think I've earned my luxuries (if you can call them
- that). No, the weight of the world doesn't fall on me.
-
- > I personally feel
- >it is all of our responsibility to do *something* to reduce our
- >consumption, and when we've gotten comfortable with that, to reduce
- >something else.
-
- I agree.
-
- >But I guess that's just me...
-
- Not necessarily. Don't be so cynical.
-
- Regards,
-
- Brian
-
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