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- From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
- Subject: Re: A new outlook on activism.
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.165356.23648@vexcel.com>
- Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
- References: <168C41048A.DRPORTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:53:56 GMT
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- In article <168C41048A.DRPORTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU> DRPORTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Brad Porter) writes:
- >The way I see it, is the problems with activist groups such as Greenpeace and
- >others is there approach. The environmental awareness that came about during t
- >he 90's has created a much more educated population who realizes that strong
- >activism is not the solution to every problem. We now have educated politician
- >s who are cognicent of the fact that the voters want environmentally sound legi
- >slation, and are attepting to enact this type of legislation. Whereas in the p
- >ast, the only way to get publicity about environmental issues was to do
- >something drastic, now it is much more common to find publicity about scientifi
- >c developments in the area of improving the environment. The activist groups
- >are looking less and less like saviors and more and more like closed-minded
- >terrorists. The scientific community has viewed them this way for decades, but
- >finally the public is starting to realize this. Greenpeace and others would do
- >much better to work within the structure of the government and avoid the negati
- >ve publicity that they are receiving.
- > -Brad Porter
- >DRPORTER@SUVM
- >
-
- There are two sides to this story. You seem to be much more optimistic
- about politicians than most people. While scientists may have a low
- opinion of many activists, I would question whether their opinions
- of policy-makers is any higher.
-
- I think that somply presenting the facts is not necessarily enough
- to get a corresponding policy. There are two things that get in the
- way.
-
- One is that the complex systems that are being studied are a long way
- from being fully understood so science cannot always give an absolute
- yes or no to a question. I have no doubt that if "smoking gun"
- evidence were found proving the threat of climate change that policies
- would be forthcoming. What we actually have is a threat of
- undetermined probability. We are faced with a _value judgement_ on
- how certain we need to be before taking action. Science cannot
- answer this question for us. Can we then trust the politicians alone?
-
- Secondly, there are people and groups who have money and power based
- on the status quo and they will fight sensible policy even when
- there is proof. The proof may need to be overwheming to overcome
- their opposition, and as mentioned in the previous paragraph, this
- is not always available.
-
- I agree that activism has been compromised by the press and by the
- fund-raising process but trusting scientists and politicians alone
- is not the answer, IMO.
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