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- Subject: Re: An End to the Sanctity of Human Life Argument
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- Date: 3 Jan 93 18:30:23 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec31.191949.27148@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge) writes:
- > In article <1992Dec31.120002.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec31.042143.2459@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge) writes:
- >>> Now please explain why it's morally acceptable for actual, undoubted
- >>> human persons to die in the interest of reducing the crime rate, but morally
- >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- >>> unacceptable for zygotes or fetii to die in the interest of reducing the
- >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- >>> rates of mental and physical distress and/or illness among women.
- >>
- >> "Human persons" should be replaced by "convicted murderers" in your
- >>appeal -- to make it more specific to the thread.
- > Wrong. In the portion of the post you deleted, I pointed out that
- > supporting a justice system that employs capital punishment inevitably means
- > supporting a system in which *some* of those convicted and executed will, in
- > fact, be innocent. Unless you intend to claim that no one ever has or ever
- > will be unjustly executed, which is obviously nonsense.
-
- Obviously some innocent people will be unjustly executed; personally,
- this is my only reservation about capital punishment. However, your
- statement contrasts an "exception" (an innocent person being executed) to a
- "rule" (an abortion kills a zygote or fetus). To be more consistent,
- you should either compare two "rules" (of which I gave an example) or
- two "exceptions" to rules.
-
- >>Second, your use
- >>of "zygotes or fetii" tends to dehumanize the unborn children you're
- >>considering (definition of child is an unborn or recently born person).
- >
- > Zygote and fetus are medically correct terms. I know they don't fit
- > your political agenda, but there it is. One might just as justifiably say
- > that you are trying to "humanize" zygotes or embryos.
-
- Once again, I have no disagreement that zygote and fetus are
- medically correct terms. But, consistency is the key. It would be
- just as disingenuous for me to speak of conservatives as "God-fearing,
- traditionalist human beings" and liberals as "left-leaning vertebrates."
- Regarding the "humanization" of zygotes and embryos, I think it's pretty
- safe to say that they are human. The question is whether they should
- have any protected rights.
-
- >>> Only the Catholic Church seems to be logically consistent on this
- >>> matter, since they are opposed to abortion, capital punishment,
- >>> and a host of other life-affecting issues.
- >>
- >> The pro-life/pro-capital punishment position is also
- >>logically consistent. It assumes that there is a right-to-life, but, along
- >>with this right, there is a responsibility not to murder (i.e. to unlawfully
- >>cease another's right-to-life). If one acts irresponsibly, then he is
- >>no longer necessarily entitled to his right.
- >>
- > As I pointed out above (for the second time) they are not at all
- > consistent. A justice system employing capital punishment will inevitably
- > execute some innocent citizens, no matter how well-designed. Supporting this
- > system is therefore inconsistent with an ethical system that places primacy
- > on the sanctity of human life.
-
- It is only inconsistent with your definition of this ethical system.
- The primacy on the sanctity of human life does not mean we should all live
- in some kind of protected bubble so that accidental death does not occur.
- People die in *accidents* driving automobiles -- however, driving an
- automobile is not hypocritical for one who is pro-capital punishment.
- Some fetii and zygotes die because of miscarriage -- however, a "pro-life"
- woman who conceives is not a hypocrite for introducing this possibility.
-
- C. Perttunen
-